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Apple tried to blame the EU for its Siri AI mess, and the EU called them out publicly (www.androidheadlines.com)

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

How about we let the users decide if they want to keep the default or not? These fucking companies are always using the privacy and security cqrd to push their walls and get full control of the devices we buy. And, of course, fucking media companies just serve as speakers for them.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 26 points 2 days ago

Right? The framing on this is diabolical - like I trust big American tech companies with that kind of access anymore than anyone else? I don’t want any of them giving an LLM access to my info.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 102 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The last paragraph feel more like the authors opinion, which is a bit weird on an Android website.

I agree with the EU on this one though, I hate walled gardens and the EU is doing good work.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/09/eu-says-decision-not-to-launch-siri-ai-in-europe-is-apples/

There you go. I saw it on MacRumors yesterday. It's weird to see Apple stuff on an Android site, but Android Police used to review iPhones when they came out. They'd give them an honest try. Reviews even varied from "decent phone but I loved going back to Android" to "I could use this and be happy but I still prefer Android." I think they gave them a fair shake.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The comments on that post are crazy delusional. How do you end up so far in a corporations pocket?

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

If you mean MacRumors commenters, I think a lot of them are Apple shareholders, and/or long-time Mac users.

If they're not shareholders, I only really have a guess. I remember back in the day, there were like four computer platforms. Apple, Atari, Amiga, and IBM/Compatibles. Of those, only Apple remains. IBM/Compatible is now "Windows" and Linux isn't really a category — that is to say, free Linux software exists, but when it comes to paid software, it's basically Windows... and occasionally Mac. Microsoft didn't get huge by magic or accidentally. They were good once. IBM folded a long time ago, at least in the consumer space. They do still exist. But for a while, they were making Macs. IBM made the PowerPC chip that powered Macs in the late 90s, early 00s. The same architecture also powered the Xbox 360, and maybe one other console (GameCube? Not sure). Anyway, Apple is basically the only old school computer company left that still makes its own software. On the Windows side, you have Dell, HP, Lenovo, and more, but they don't make the software that runs on their hardware. It's all super generic stuff with their logo on it, but it runs Windows. Macs still run macOS by Apple. So the loyalty is understandable. Doubly so on phones, because you either have the iPhone, which is like a handheld Mac, it runs macOS but with a different desktop environment (and it's called iOS)... and then you have what amounts to spyware sold by an advertising company (Google) and licensed like Windows, to people making generic phones and badging them like PCs. Android phones are weaker than iPhones as far as raw compute power, they cost about the same, and Google makes more than the base iPhone costs, on average, per person for the personal data they collect and sell.

So to sum it, loyalty to Apple is because they've been around for 50 years, they're primarily a computer company, and you are the customer and not the product. AND anyone who invested in them early on is rich now. If YOU hate Apple, but somehow you went back in time to 1997 or 2007 (before the iMac unveiling, or before the iPhone unveiling), dollars to donuts you invest your whole life savings in Apple. Why TF wouldn't you take that free money?

That said, raw compute power is not 100% of a phone's experience. My 7 year old Galaxy S10 has a better keyboard than my 1.5 year old iPhone 16 Pro Max does, and the S10's keyboard doesn't hallucinate shit after I've typed it. iOS has been known to do that. I also wanted to turn that old Android phone into a cosplay prop. I did a few things you can't do on an iPhone. Case, that's easy, both of them can do that. But changing the grid and the icons? The latter is possible on iOS, but a huge pain in the arse. The former isn't. Having a 3x3 grid of 200% scaled icons to turn a modern smartphone into the NookPhone from Animal Crossing: New Horizons is simply not possible on iOS. So, there are valid reasons people use Android, and I don't just assume they're up Google's arse because they chose an advertising company over a computer company. Though, some of them are. Just like some iPhone users are insufferable twats about having the superior phone that anyone can buy. It's not like that one Ferrari you can only buy via invitation from the company because you've owned so many of their previous models.

[–] baguette@piefed.social 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

And they all go quite when Apple politely obliges to whatever China demands from them. That site is the definition of toxic-fanboyism. So many commenters their blindly believe every declaration Apple makes.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago

There's one comment in there lamenting the lack of innovation from the EU. You know the continent that contains CERN. Yep ain't no innovation going on over here, it's amazing we even got internal plumbing.

But then again Americans aren't the smartest tools in the shed.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

blaming regulators for ~~refusing to engage constructively on proposed solutions~~ wanting them to follow the law when they don't want to.

There, I fixed it.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What does China do?
China smartphone companies just install their own ai providers I suspect.

Edit. Oh .

Apple unveiled a dramatically improved Siri at WWDC 2026, but quietly confirmed that EU and China users won’t be getting it with iOS 27.

Lmao. Apple Loosers. Fucking incompetent cunts.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Of course, Apple doesn’t want to give up that much access to a competitor. Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

This article seems rather a bit biased. Apple didn't give their reasoning for it, and it seems presumptuous for Maxham to provide that reasoning, when it's unfounded.

It also doesn't seem like that big of an issue. Just have the assistant program run through the same permissions as a regular app, rather than as a system app, where you have to set the permissions you want to give it.

It also wouldn't be Apple's fault, any more than it would be their fault because you saw on Facebook that your iPhone had wireless charging, and stuck it in the microwave. People should be allowed to break their own devices. That's part of the risks of owning something, where things can just break if you use it wrong.

[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant?

I don't see the point here. Assistants are inherently untrustworthy. They are unreliable, and can be taken over vy hostile actors. Or, from Apples perspective, by the user.
You can't let users jailbreak their phones using siri prompt injection, and you can't let siri perform any system actions or exfiltrate data without confirmations because it could go rogue or be taken over by some prompt smuggled into it by a hostile actor.
If you have to safeguard it anyway, and it is untrustworthx anyway, you already have to make it withstand everything an untrustworthy 3rd party implementation could do.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Sir you are fundamentally misunderstanding this issue. By putting an Apple logo on it, this tech is completely different and all problems are now magically solved. Buy the thing, consumer!

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Interesting take, I agree it should be that way (i.e. sandboxed up the wazoo). Apple might even have done the sensible thing, but we'd have to trust them, which we can't, because closed source and megacorp that can't be trusted if they see dollar signs. Also, if they had, why complain about giving 3rd parties equivalent access, except maybe to spank the EU for having the temerity to hold them to higher standards. On balance, I expect critical vulnerabilities incoming.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 43 points 3 days ago

Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a ~~rogue actor~~ US tech giant like Apple or Google got into the system-level of your phone, ~~disguised as an AI assistant~~? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

Wait...

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Girls, girls, you’re both just…fucking awful.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Here is Apple’s statement. They designed an API called “Trusted System Agent “ but the EU rejected it.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-delayed-in-eu-for-ios-27-and-ipados-27/

[–] encelado748@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This statement tells more about Apple than about EU. What DMA says is that third party API access must be on the same level as first party API access.

Apple would have to give any virtual assistant direct access to users’ private data — and the ability to directly control other installed applications

This simply means that Siri AI has direct access to users private data and the ability to directly control other installed applications.

the DMA requires Apple to give any AI system nearly unlimited access to a user’s device, as well as the ability to act on that access autonomously without a user’s ongoing visibility and control. That includes the ability to read and send messages, make purchases, access files, and execute actions across any app.

This is what Siri AI is doing.

The EU rejected Apple decision to not follow the law by giving Siri AI privileged access to users private data and apps while preventing others to do the same.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

True. It will be interesting to see if Apple:

continues to work on the API
releases the API in other regions (like North America)
eventually moves their own AI to this API (eating their own dog food)

I think Apple got caught in a hard place where they had to start over and get things up and running quickly to head off any lawsuits about not meeting advertised promises about “new Siri”. Their first try didn’t work in iOS 26. They were aiming for 15 to 18 months to get the API working/tested. Let’s see what happens in another year or two.

Also Apple won’t be the only one in this predicament. WhatsApp is already having the same problems with DMA.

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Well, they at least rejected letting Apple release without "Trusted System Agent" and a pinky promise it would be implemented in a year and a half...

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Apple? The company who fucked with their users/customers phone batteries from afar so they would have to purchase new products? That Apple?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm constantly being told by Apple fanboys that Apple is the only pro consumer silicon valley company in operation.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

In comparison to other mega corps? More or less yes.
Individually: Nope.

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[–] ravelin@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago

Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.

What is AI if not a rogue actor? Seems to me like Europe not getting Siri AI is Apple threatening them with a good time.

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