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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by inari@piefed.zip to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not a huge Dune fan...

But pretty sure Timmy Chalamei sees the future, and sacrifices his humanity and the humanity of his children for the good of the human race.

He didn't just think he'd be a good ruler, he was snorting a bunch of actual magic fairy dust and legitimately able to see the future and knew what it would take to save humanity: his own.

It's a typical space Jesus story, so of course he'd just be another deluded space asshole, if he wasn't really is Space Jesus in the story.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tap for spoilerHe didn't just think he'd be a good ruler, he also knew his involvement would sent in motion a catastrophic jihad that would drown the universe in blood.

He knew he was the opposite of Jesus and that his family were just like the Harkonens but more subtle

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, but also... while the jihad would lead to billions of deaths, the state of the galaxy at that time was so stagnant that him not acting would lead to far worse results. So Catch-22 - he was doing the best thing for the very long run, and just didn't have the ability/strength/balls to go far enough himself.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I know he suddenly regretted what he was starting but did he not have the balls or is drowning the universe in blood just such a momentous task that one guy and a planet of extremists can't do it all in a single generation of time?

Okay fuck it, gonna reread it now. Maybe this will make me want to watch the show

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I seem to remember it's a bit of both. Paul already has the problem of suddenly being able to see all the paths. To stay sane just from that point is commendable. But that's a lot to carry. Still not as much as his sister, who never had a chance to form her own identity before being hit with knowing everything from past mothers, with everyone in her head.

[–] Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

His sister didn't see the future.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Ah, that's right. So only really maddening, and not totally.

[–] itrealgood@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never understood why the stagnant situation would be worse

[–] thomasloven@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Haven’t read the last few books yet, but I believe that further into the future there’s a greater threat coming which humanity can only survive by being used to adapting and spreading through the universe.

[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

The original books never go further into it, but essentially yes. There's a single bit of dialogue when Paul's son talks about hunter seeker robots exterminating mankind. But in the prequel books, during the Butlerian jihad, just before it's defeat the enemy ai makes copies of itself and launched them to random distant stars. And mind you, this was before faster then light travel (the discovery of which is what actually helped the humans win). But presumably Omnius returns for a reckoning.

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and that his family were just like the Harkonens but more subtle

Maybe a spoiler since I don't know the movie touches on it, but besides Paul's father they are all Harkonnens or part Harkonnen.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The book is out for decades, I think its ok to say

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Got me! I need sleep

[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago
[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Leto II: No see you just didn't do it hard enough. You must become a predator their bones remember.

[–] silver@das-eck.haus 13 points 1 day ago

You need to become worm Pharaoh

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Woah crazy, that was the point of the book. 🤯

[–] inari@piefed.zip 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think this tweet was meant as a mindblowing novel take on the book

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps I am dumb. It's been ten years I could have swore this was in the final paragraph thesis so it seems like a weird thing to joke about

[–] buttmasterflex@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's commentary on the current political climate using a relatively well known situation as a reference point, not a restatement of the point of the book.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ooh, I wouldn't have caught that. Thank you.

Tap for spoilerAlso I just checked again and have to retract what I said about the book ends. Apparently the last chapter had Jessica consoling Chauni about the poligamy situation, which is way weaker of a final note than I remembered

But Fenrig knowing he could murk Paul and somehow being immune to Paul's omniscience was pretty cool. I forgot I really liked that character