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With the end of physical PlayStation games looming, the need for clear digital ownership rights is more pressing than ever.

For its part, Sony believes your rights are very clear: you do not own your digital games, and it's unlikely you're stupid enough to believe otherwise. At least, that's roughly the argument the company's lawyers are presenting in response to a proposed class-action lawsuit.

Sony argues that its current customer-facing disclosures ensure that "reasonable consumers would not be misled" into believing they actually own their digital games. That's according to a Game File report (paid article link) citing an August 21 filing Sony's lawyers made in California's Northern District.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think anyone expects that they are buying the exclusive copyright license for reproduction. People just want to own their copies. You know like with books.

We want this for our games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Exactly, a perpetual, transferable, non rescindable license

[–] levophed@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago

Yep so all the piracy that goes around isn't illegal either right?

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 19 points 6 days ago

Oh, right, so it's all just one copy that we're all sharing, then? Here's an idea in that case: let's cut out the middleman, and I'll share my copy of it with all of you for an agreed price.
Free is my first, best and final offer.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If I can't own the game, then you're not getting my money. Piracy is the only way to actually own it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's the nice thing in digital; i own a lossless copy of it. Without your DRM, btw.

[–] BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm 37 I won't challenge that, I don't buy digital games until they're at least 50% off. Most of the time I only buy digital games when they're 75-90% off.

Now Sony, Nintendo and Steam (mostly Sony/Nintendo) are misunderstanding me. I've got so many games to play, so many physical games. I don't need the latest EA trash, I don't need the newest boring uninspired PlayStation exclusive.

I've got games for many many months to play. I've got so many SNES, PS1 and PS2 games to play.

And when I run out I've got so many books to read.

American Sony can chortle my balls. I miss PS1, PS2 and PS3 Japanese Sony

[–] levophed@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

I just made a batocera machine for this, it's great!

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

A digital file is a physical object and you can make copies for individuals to use. I don't believe the Sony lawyers are stupid enough to believe otherwise.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

If we don’t own games then we should just rent them for a small fee and then when done, cancel service

[–] judgy_jackdaw@lemmy.world 202 points 1 week ago (3 children)

if only one person can buy GTA 6, how can more than one person rent GTA 6?

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The answer is always the human centipede

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[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 159 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Oh really? Then it's not a store, and it's not a sale. It's a leasing office and a lease.

[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 115 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't theft.

[–] sicarius@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Jesus pirated a bunch of bread and fish.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Good point. Don’t say we’re buying it. They use the terminology of ownership when you’re paying money.

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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They dont need to keep trying to convice me to never buy another Sony/ Rockstar product. They keep giving more reasons though.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Sony convinced me that years ago when they sold me an expensive af dvd camcorder and then they hobbled it so it was unusable unless you edited in their crappy software and exported it through their expensive dongles.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 99 points 1 week ago (6 children)

... wait. That's not obvious. If it was obvious, it wouldn't be a "Buy now" it would be like a "Purchase License."

Because thats literally how the rest of the software industry works.

[–] oyzmo@piefed.social 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Purchase time limited license

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Following that logic, pirating software is quite all right, no one is stupid enough to believe someone loses if they make a copy.

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[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

The solution seems easy enough, don't buy or rent anything from Sony until the issue is resolved.

This is fixable if consumers band together. Nobody needs to game on a PlayStation (or play GTA on PC/PlayStation), we need water, food, shelter not GTA6

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

If that's so obvious, then why not state it clearly on the packaging?

[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah yes, because I own my pair of jeans, or my hoodie, I'm the only person in the world with a pair of jeans and a hoodie...

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A book would be better example.

You might not own the IP, but you sure as hell own an object containing that IP, which you have an eternal, irrevocable and transferrable license to use.

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 week ago (7 children)

So by that logic, I am the only owner of a 2016 Subaru Impreza in the entire world.

The Highlander saying “there can be only one!”

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 41 points 1 week ago

So when we bought games on disc, who was the one person who owned the game? John Sony San, who lives at the top of Sony Tower in Sony Plaza?

Lol this weasel logic they'll use to justify their petty greed is ridiculous...

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