"Well I hope you have good insurance and you (or your child) don't have a prolonged and painful death" is my usual go to.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2025
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Up hill conversation to get people who are against vaccines to trust a predatory for profit medical industry that has given us all reason to distrust. I’m someone that relies on herd immunity, so please get you and your kids vaccinated, but I understand where people are coming from even though they’ve come to trust baseless theories that are based on intentional ignorance.
The problem comes from the fact most people cannot differentiate between the science side of and the industry side of pharmaceuticals. Same thing with college. The people who think "college is a scam" do not differentiate between the academics and the administrative aspects.
It all boils down to people not understanding the problem isn't the thing itself; it is the system that dictates the distribution of it and allows people of ill intent to exploit their control over its distribution for profit.
Their logic is backwards. They see "Bad People™ tell me that I need Thing© so they can exploit me for money, so Thing© must have been created by Bad People™ to exploit me, thus the thing must be a Bad Thing©" instead of seeing it as "this beneficial thing is being controlled by bad people who are exploiting people's desire for its benefits for proft."
The thing is that logic only make sense if they were against it all. People happily slopped down Ivermectin as a vaccine replacement
Forgive me, I didn’t mean to leave anyone with the impression that there was any attempt at logic from antivaxxers.
My point is that the industry that rakes in riches on the suffering of the sick has left ample reasons for people to distrust it and not believe anything that it says.
I’ve got a family member who is not getting their daughter the HPV vaccine because of “the lies”. That same family member? She barely survived a cervical cancer that was likely there because she was HPV positive. No logic there at all.
Oh no I totally understand your point and no need to apologize. I just also wanted to add my two cents.
Me: this interacting with an Internet stranger is going well. Me: notices RampageDon is on a .ca server Me: Ah, I bet that’s it.
Haha I'm actually from the US. Was on .ee and have been trying out different spaces since that one is closing down.
Don't. Stop talking with these people. Cut them out of your lives. They are child murderers.
They have been deceived. They are - in some cases - child accidental manslaughterers.
Andrew Wakefield is a child murderer.
It's good to be angry, but let's never forget who most deeply deserves our rage. It's Andrew Wakefield. Andrew Wakefield, fraudster and disgraced former physician, piece-of-shit human (I added that one), deserves our rage.
You are delusional and going to kill children. You are a child murderer.
Listen, do not judge
The first thing to do if someone expresses uncertainty about vaccines to you, say researchers, is not to judge or dismiss them.
What your suggesting only further alienates them, and lets them live in their echo chamber.
There is no convincing morons.
Every human has the capacity to learn and change. You just have to understand their perspective and find the fallacy in their internal logic. It requires monumental amounts of patience and creative thinking to find where their misunderstanding is, present them with an argument that they can conceptualize which forces them to confront the contradictions of their position, help ease them through the difficult process of overcoming the cognitive dissonance, and then begin the long process of educating them.
They have been given opportunity to change already and continue to murder children.
Sorry you are so simple minded and cannot see how you are blinded by your own prejudices. You're no better than them in how you approach the world. You're just the other side of that same coin.
Child murderer.
K. Tell me you have no idea how to argue in good faith without saying so.
Allowing antivax stance results in dead kids. End of story. If you are antivax or allow antivax views then you are murdering kids.