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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Of all the things you could do with your finite existence in this world, you choose to dispute the name of an open source selfhhostable bookmarking app

🤦‍♀️

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Legally required to. If you don't protect your trademark, you lose it.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is this even true or just a myth? From what I know, law doesn't actually mandate people to be jerkasses. Also at least in sane countries, you can't trademark words that are in the dictionary like "hoard" or "hoarder", since by definition they have prior art.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

linkedin

Good try, but I don't read MBA hallucinations or AI slop.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, Google is free, you can find the information if you like.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago

Nah, I chose DDG and got a better result, but thanks!

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rebuttal, it's called "hoarder"

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And apple is called Apple.

I didn't say the law is good.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The company trying to enforce the trademark is not called hoarder nor do they have any apps called hoarder.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh good! Then they have no case and will lose.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They did not lose. The maintainer of Hoarder had to rebrand to KaraKeep, hence this post.

They didn't son win either, the dispute is ongoing.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought you said they didn’t?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they had no case they lost. If they have a case, they win.

It's a truism.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The company enforcing their trademark has not trademarked the word “Hoarder” and evidently they won anyway. So I guess it isn’t really a truism, and “having a case” is more arbitrary than you seem to think.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

U think you're just pointing out that trademark law doesn't work the way a reasonable person would assume. I agree, it's crazy. But if they won, then it was relevant to their trademark (somehow), and failure to bring relevant cases can lead to losing it.

So yes, it's weird and sketchy and feels morally wrong. But also yes, it's required and expected legally.

[–] ItJustDonn@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This looks really cool. Can anyone explain to me if a headless chrome browser is dangerous the way a regular chrome browser is? I'm only hesitant because I don't know

[–] 486@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can anyone explain to me if a headless chrome browser is dangerous the way a regular chrome browser is?

Almost. You want to make sure to keep it as up-to-date as you would a regular Chrome browser. It does almost everything a regular Chrome does, including running arbitrary scripts on websites.

[–] ItJustDonn@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Makes sense. The videos I saw about setting it up mentioned a headless chrome browser. But I'm new to self-hosting and didn't know if it had to be chrome or if you could use a better option, since you can use an OLLAMA instead of chatgpt for example

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 7 points 3 days ago

@ItJustDonn @486 Hang on, this runs chromium as root? That seems like a _really_ bad idea. And unnecessary, since there's a hoarder user installed later in the script...

https://github.com/karakeep-app/karakeep/blob/main/hoarder-linux.sh

Screenshot from that shell script, showing that it creates a systemd service called hoarder-browser.service that runs as the root user, and spawns a headless chromium process.