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[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

UK we have had speed cameras for ages. There was a trend for people to either spray paint the lens or even firebomb the camera. So they had to put in a second (video) camera mounted as high as possible to protect the first camera, quite amusing that a safety camera has to be kept safe by another safety cameras, its cameras all the way down.

Personally I think speed cameras that monitor a fixed point are pretty dumb unless that fixed point is an accident black spot such as outside a school or a red light camera for dangerous set of traffic lights. Its far better to have average speed cameras for a large section of road but those are more costly as you need way more cameras to make them work outside of motorways as you need to cover all the junctions properly.

Latest cameras we have in testing can see if you do not have your seat belt done up or are using your phone. Just stopping people from using their phone has to be the biggest step forward we can make with modern road safety.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

One of the first speed cameras I remember in Belgium was just behind the crest of a highway. Drivers would give more power to drive up the hill at the speed limit, they'd cross the crest and that same power would make them overshoot the speed limit. So they put a camera right there to maximize the fines. Without the camera there was nothing special about that spot, but with the camera there were a lot of front end collisions. Fine revenue was apparently more important than safety.

Placement of new speed cameras has gotten more sensible with time fortunately, but those old speed traps are still left in place unfortunately. For highways we now have a lot of average speed tracking and that has really improved the flow of traffic. And for villages/towns, there is often a clearly visible lone camera box at the beginning of the low speed zone, those work so well that there is often no camera in them, just the box is enough.

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the good old UK where it’s normal to arrest people for saying mean things on the internet and you've disarmed the working class, not to mention the UK created the biggest human rights problem in the middle east when your prime minister Balfour released the balfour declaration and now we have a settler colonial ethno nationalist apartheid state flagrantly committing genocide while using DARVO psychological abuse tactics and pretending to be the victim. thanks for all that white anglo saxon British imperialism!!!!

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Lmao, ill take the downvotes, better than living in lala land like the brits and not accepting the reality of what you've all been trying to pass off as civilized behavior for the last millennia has stained the world while normalizing genocide and exploitation. But god save the king right?

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Thanks for your contribution!

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago (13 children)

How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won't speed if they cannot speed safely.

Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.

There are many forms of traffic management that don't require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

People won't speed if they cannot speed safely.

You have more faith in humanity than I do.

[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Where do you live that nobody drives unsafely and infrastructure can just be overhauled as soon as a problem is identified? I want to move there!

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 hours ago

Why make it more complicated for self driving cars? Several companies already have decent AD systems. Realistically more than 100% of cars will be driven with some degree of automation in the next decade.

Just ticket as a percentage of total wealth. Even billionaires can't afford too many $250M tickets.

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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People vandalize speed cameras

Toronto city council decided last week that it will install "larger, more visible and clearer" signs to warn drivers where automated speed enforcement cameras are located in the city.

"HEY VANDALS! THE SPEED CAMERAS ARE OVER HERE!"

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They need cameras pointing at the speed cameras to catch the vandals, and maybe cameras pointing at those cameras just in case.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I would bet good money on it being only a matter of time before they vandalize the cameras watching cameras.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It may get to a point where tax dollars are wasted having undercover cop cars, maybe even plain clothes officers, watching the cameras for vandals

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Temples fingers

Ex...cellent!

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 22 points 1 day ago (28 children)

I don't really care that much either way for speed cameras. They work in a very limited fashion, but they punish the poor the most, and the money goes to cops.

At the end of the day speed cameras are a solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist. We are failing to use technology available to us for basically no reason - we already know how to slow people and calm traffic without any kind of economic/punitive incentive.

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[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Replace speed cameras with road diets and other geometric choices that restrict traffic speed without relying on drivers following rules (they don't)

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Ottawa Protocol

90 kph

Speed camera

50 kph

Past speed camera

90 kph

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Nobody drives 90 in Ottawa. Especially not on the 417.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

While not ideal, this can still be useful. In Sweden, we employ speed cameras strategically around areas of higher risk, such as intersections with cars coming onto a larger road with an obscured view. Reducing the speed in that particular spot does probably save lives.

Still, adjusting the design speed is the preferable alternative, but that does not make speed cameras completely ineffective.

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