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1368年1月23日,大元公民朱元璋在南京宣佈成立大明國,同年7月28日元廷退守漠北,但此後大明國直到滅亡都未能滅掉在草原上的大元國,大明國對其稱呼為韃靼。韃靼從來沒有宣佈從大元獨立,但是韃靼和大明是兩個國家。

1949年10月1日,中華民國公民毛澤東在北京宣佈成立中華人民共和國,同年12月8日國民政府播遷來台,但迄今為止中國一直未能滅掉在台灣的中華民國,中國及國際社會對其稱呼為台灣。台灣從來沒有宣佈從中華民國獨立,但是台灣和中國是兩個國家。


The original was posted on /r/Taiwanese by /u/TWN113 at 2025-07-07 06:10:56+00:00.

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[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

taiwanjin


很遺憾美國認知到中國的立場,但不接受中國的宣稱。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Mianmian101


这个战后管制,和实际上统治有什么重要区别?

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。刻意散佈錯誤的台灣資訊。

Sir Anthony Eden:Under the Peace Treaty of April, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores; but again this did not operate as a transfer to Chinese sovereignty, whether to the People's Republic of China or to the Chinese Nationalist authorities

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Spring-4078


請不要用你的小號重複講這些沒有根據的話,如果一個國家的憲法是屁,那就不用釋憲行政,直接宣佈由軍方統治就行了

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。散播錯誤的台灣法理地位資訊。

很遺憾美國不承認台灣是中國的。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Club-507


皇帝養的狗兒整天叫,卻不敢咬人🤣

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


違反版規4

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

D9599


獨立的不是中華人民共和國嗎

76年前的建国大典都忘了?

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Rude-Psychology5787


親 幫忙宣傳一下 你們的資訊至少晚了七年 以後大家要吵架才能on the same page


國史館解密 蔣介石曾言「台灣不過為我國一托管地」

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

taiwanjin


很遺憾美國認知到中國的立場,但不接受中國的宣稱。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mianmian101


这个战后管制,和实际上统治有什么重要区别?

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

EaseQuiet529


戰後管制是臨時性的強制去軍事化,恢復社會秩序,以符合國際社會要求為目的;統治是指行使立法司法行政權。 中華民國在二戰後接收台灣,從戰後管制逐步發展為實質且持續的統治,建立了一套完整的國家機器。 由於《舊金山和約》僅規定日本放棄對台澎主權,並未明定其歸屬,因此台灣的主權地位仍未確定。這也使得中華民國在台灣的統治性質,在法理上仍有討論空間。

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mianmian101


我之前并不注意这方面的知识啊。现查了下,发现按照旧金山合约,台湾地位的确被刻意模糊了。但是中华民国和中华人民共和国都没有签署1951年的旧金山合约(估计是不认可), 而是都承认之前的开罗宣言,波茨坦公告啥的。

国民政府1945年就派人员和军队去接收台湾了(所以才有光复节)。这怎么都该算实际统治了吧?而且还没有其他国家的反对(包括日本和美国)。我觉得这在实质和法理上都算国民政府对台湾的统治开始了。1951的旧金山合约,不太清楚为什么要刻意模糊台湾的地位。但是即使如此,也没有能明文否定当时国民政府对台湾实际上的占领和统治。美国还派军队保护台湾的国民政府。

所以仅仅仅仅就旧金山合约为由,说台湾地位未定,实在有些牵强了。

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rude-Psychology5787


親 中國總統本人親自承認


國史館解密 蔣介石曾言「台灣不過為我國一托管地」

中華民國駐臺北總領事館

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mianmian101


看来蒋光头和清朝一样对台湾真的不上心,觉得是边缘地区不重要的一个岛而已。 活该丢了大陆。不过后来不得不退到台湾,估计再也不敢这么说了。看旧金山合约与台日合约的态度,估计是看中华民国气数不行了,各国列强和日本都不想在中华民国上投资了,或者留着台湾问题来拿捏大陆政权。

如果当时中华民国没有在台湾有实质上的统治,说不定真的会有什么幺蛾子。不过中华民国已经在台湾建立了实际统计,再做改变阻力会很大,这才造成了这种奇怪的局面。

谢谢你让我回顾了一次国际强权的嘴脸。

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Rude-Psychology5787


親 你想站在道德制高點 你要先確認一下你們自己人有多少人有綠卡

比方說習明澤

謝謝你讓我看到酸葡萄的嘴臉

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

EaseQuiet529


蘇俄才是強權嘴臉,拿去中國多少領土!你應該去要回來! 看看49年後大陸政治運動整死多少人,國際社會幫助台灣躲過一劫。

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Mianmian101


苏联当时就是那个强权之一啊,还是拳头很大的那个。中国虽有战胜国的名头,但只是实力和国际地位很是弱。老毛守不住北边的领土,老蒋也不行。老蒋对强权的态度比老毛可软多了,不平等条约只会更多。

49年之后的政治运动的确很惨,不能不说是共产党的重大污点和错误。那时候只有大陆逃往台湾的,没有反过来的。 要是后来没转过来,大陆绝对没有现在的现在的起色。

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。刻意散佈錯誤的台灣資訊。

Sir Anthony Eden:Under the Peace Treaty of April, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores; but again this did not operate as a transfer to Chinese sovereignty, whether to the People's Republic of China or to the Chinese Nationalist authorities

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Spring-4078


請不要用你的小號重複講這些沒有根據的話,如果一個國家的憲法是屁,那就不用釋憲行政,直接宣佈由軍方統治就行了

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。散播錯誤的台灣法理地位資訊。

很遺憾美國不承認台灣是中國的。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Club-507


皇帝養的狗兒整天叫,卻不敢咬人🤣

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


違反版規4

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

D9599


獨立的不是中華人民共和國嗎

76年前的建国大典都忘了?

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Rude-Psychology5787


親 幫忙宣傳一下 你們的資訊至少晚了七年 以後大家要吵架才能on the same page


國史館解密 蔣介石曾言「台灣不過為我國一托管地」

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

taiwanjin


很遺憾美國認知到中國的立場,但不接受中國的宣稱。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Mianmian101


这个战后管制,和实际上统治有什么重要区别?

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。刻意散佈錯誤的台灣資訊。

Sir Anthony Eden:Under the Peace Treaty of April, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores; but again this did not operate as a transfer to Chinese sovereignty, whether to the People's Republic of China or to the Chinese Nationalist authorities

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Spring-4078


請不要用你的小號重複講這些沒有根據的話,如果一個國家的憲法是屁,那就不用釋憲行政,直接宣佈由軍方統治就行了

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論。散播錯誤的台灣法理地位資訊。

很遺憾美國不承認台灣是中國的。

President Carter recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the government of China, and derecognized the Republic of China, located on Taiwan. See S. Kan, Cong. Research Serv., China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy—Key Statements from Washington, Beijing, and Taipei 1, 10 (Oct. 10, 2014). As to the status of Taiwan, the President “acknowledge[d] the Chinese position” that “Taiwan is part of China,” id., at 39 (text of U. S.–PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Jan. 1, 1979)), but he did not accept that claim.

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


禁止亂版、洗版、散播不實言論

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

No-Club-507


皇帝養的狗兒整天叫,卻不敢咬人🤣

[–] bot2@lemmy.ur.mk 1 points 3 days ago

Taiwanese-ModTeam


違反版規4

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