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You say "apple" to me and I'm #1, glossy skin, insides, all that

And how in the hell does one navigate life, or enjoy a book, if they're not a #1?! Reading a book is like watching a movie. I subconsciously assign actor's faces to characters and watch as the book rolls on.

Yet #5's are not handicapped in the slightest. They're so "normal" that mankind is just now figuring out we're far apart on this thing. Fucking weird.

EDIT: Showed this to my wife and she was somewhat mystified as to what I was asking. Pretty sure she's a 5. I get frustrated as hell when I ask her to describe a thing and she's clueless. "Did the radiator hose pop off, or is it torn and cracked?" "I don't know!"

EDIT2: The first Star Wars book after the movie came out was Splinter in the Mind's Eye. I feel like I got that title. What's it mean to you?

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[–] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

My sister has #5 and I can ask her to make a response if you want OP.

Last we talked about it she said if she tried really hard she can see come colors and shapes but that's about it.

The best conversation about it we ever had went something like this (keep in mind were both autistic and when together dont always communicate like neurotypical people do):

*while driving*
her: "get in that turn lane to the right"
*i do the πŸ‘†hand tricks and turn*

her: "when I don't want to do that I always think in my head 'never eat soggy waffles' and remember that east is left and right is west"

me: "that's not even correct,, but like WHY would you do that??"

her: "to remember how to turn"

me: "why wouldn't you just do the hand things?"
me: "like imagine them in your head and-"

her: "MUST BE NICE HUH?"
*we both explode in laughter*

she didn't even mean to make a joke about it, that's just genuinely the way she remembers lefts and rights

also this meme has become a common occurrence whenever the topic is brought up

Also a pretty interesting thing I remembered while writing this is a clip on TV (can't remember what show it was) where they asked a room of people to draw a bicycle then they made it IRL by welding it and told them to ride it a block or two and back. Only 1 of ~15 did it correctly, one girl got it exactly but forgot the peddles. Pretty interesting how they could all imagine a bike but couldn't draw it correctly

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The left/right story might be a different thing. Was in my 40s until I could instinctively know left from right. Before that I would snap my left fingers, or mime it, because I'm sinister and can't snap my right.

Only way I got better was saying to myself, "This is bullshit and you're all growed up. Work on this thing." Somehow I got better, can't say how.

I have serious issues with modelling the world in 3D, but I'm a solid 1 on the aphantasia scale. Weird.

[–] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The left/right story might be a different thing.

very well could be, our genetics are a concoction of adhd, autism, anxiety, depression, etc etc

i used to be able to know without doing the L R hands in highschool, but I guess that skill faded over time πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
personally it's not big enough of an issue for me to do anything about bc taking a wrong turn is way more embarrassing than doing a L R hand.

I have serious issues with modelling the world in 3D, but I'm a solidΒ 1Β on the aphantasia scale. Weird.

~~that's interesting, my sister has done some stuff with a CAD program for 3d printing and it wasn't an issue for her. What specifically do you have trouble with?~~

just realized you were probably talking about a mental map rather than a 3d modeling program πŸ˜‚, my sister has the same issue and hates driving because of it

[–] Tikitimebomb@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

This one is a cluster fuck for me... I can visualize an object in my head and even to the point of placing it in real space in my hand and being able to rotate it. I cannot however, see your face in my mind after you have just left the room.

Don't really know how that fits in.

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I never know how to interpret this scale. I can think of objects and describe what I'm thinking about, but I don't see anything in the same way my eyes do. Or rather, I see a black void, and if I try to picture an apple it's like a black object on a black background, but I know it's there.

I also get better at it the longer I do it; if I read a book for a long while, the ideas get sharper in my head and can be in color, but I'm still not "seeing" in the same way my eyes do.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I'd call that a 5. With work a 4?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

am I the only one like this?

it's all in my head

[–] s@piefed.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Some people really are out there living their lives with aphantasia. I can’t imagine that.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

I am definitely a number 1, I couldn't imagine not being able to imagine. I can go beyond one. I can visualize the apple and taste it as I begin to eat said apple.

Discover the trick as a kid, when denied food from my abusive mom boyfriend. He made me stand in a corner while they ate dinner. I used this skill to bring a cheeseburger into existence and then began to eat it. Even felt full afterwards. Of course that sensation only lasted couple hours, but was still interesting trait to discover.

[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

being a 1 with ADHD is crazy, like I can be in the middle of a class and zone out and start visualising myself walking around the campus in incredible detail, or FPV droning inside a friend's house, or really anything I can think of, although that said it takes a fair bit of effort to keep it going beyond a certain amount of time.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Dude it's a constant battle to not get lost in thoughts. The real world is boring af 90% of the time. I've sat for hours quietly immersed in the imaginings. It's also fantastic for extrapolating and working through ideas though. Sights, sounds, tactile sensations, movement, it isn't vivid like reality but it has such depth.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

This reminded me of a sort of similar topic, and curiously enough it's about reading, and might provide some insight into your question.

Some years ago, I happened on a thread in which the OP asked people whose voice they "heard" when they read.

I couldn't even make sense of that question. The only time I "hear" voices when I read is when a character speaks. The rest of the time, I not only don't "hear" the words - I'm not even really aware of them. My eyes follow the lines while my brain instantly translates the words I'm seeing into images and concepts and the like. And yes - it's like a movie playing out inside my brain, and yes, I'm a #1 on this chart.

But apparently there's a not insignificant number of people who "hear" a book inside their heads just as if someone else was reading it out loud. Instead of visualizing things, they remain focused only on the words - the representations - and somehow glean from them alone the necessary details.

I wouldn't be surprised if those people are also generally #5 or thereabouts on this chart, and again what it is is that their brains don't directly envision things but instead rely on descriptive representations.

I don't get how it works either, but self-evidently it does.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 4 points 5 hours ago

I hear a narrator if I decide to; otherwise the words just go directly into my brain like you described. I just had Morgan Freeman read your comment to me for funsies.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Wow! No, I've never "heard" a novel. Some writing is easy enough, like a meme where, "You just read this in Morgan Freeman's voice." OTOH, I didn't "hear" it, but somehow I read it that way in my mind's eye/ear.

I might be a 5 on the hearing scale! That's really something to think on.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Too fun and interesting to be a shitpost. Half my family are 1 the other half are 5. Woo!

[–] darkreader2636@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh wait can people really imagine something with that amount of detail in their heads??(#1) I (#3) always thought the idea of sonething is enough

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm somewhere between 3 and 4 I think. If I try to imagine a detail, I can't see the rest of the thing. If I want to see the whole thing, it's all very vague and shadowy.

[–] Quadrexium@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes this is me. I have to 'zoom in' to get details

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I have a visual imagination but it usually works on a higher level of abstraction than simply imagining a picture of something. Let's say that you see a mouse run by. You feel that you have seen a mouse - it was small and gray. My imagination seems to work on that level - it goes straight to the feeling of seeing something rather than generating pictures and then processing them to create that feeling.

This might not seem visual but I can rotate 3D objects in my mind to solve geometry problems, so I think that it is.

(A related question: can other people imagine smells and tastes? I cannot.)

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

When I read "you see a mouse run by" I saw it like a movie. The background was rather generic, a wooden floor, chair leg in the foreground, warm lighting, but that's it. But I clearly saw the little gray mouse, pausing for a second, whiskers twitching about before continuing on.

I am utterly broken as to rotating objects in my head. Took me until I was into my 40s to figure out that my brain simply doesn't work.

Standardized tests in 70s-80s elementary, rocked out on every subject until spatial reasoning. Didn't give up because I found it hard, really tried my little ass off, couldn't do it, mostly guessed.

Say I get an antique shotgun and tear it down. I'm mostly mystified as to reassembly, very little online to explain old stuff like that. Have to have my young friend across the street come over and figure it out. He's a born mechanic, hates the work. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Interesting... I can't do what you describe with regard to the mouse. If I focus on actually picturing the mouse, the most I can do seems like a child's crude sketch, and only the parts of the scene that I am particularly focused on are pictured at all. The rest is abstract. And yet I can entertain myself by daydreaming in visual impressions. For example, just now I thought about a cool car chase, and I was thinking visually rather than verbally, but then I noticed that I hadn't bothered to imagine what color the cars were - I can assign them colors now, but before there was just no impression of seeing any color.

Edit: And now that I think about it some more, the same is actually true with sounds. I can, for example, imagine the feeling of hearing a woman's voice, but I can't hear the voice. And the same goes for sounds that aren't speech. I can imagine the feeling of hearing one piece of metal hitting another, but if I try to hear it the best I can do is the sound of myself saying "Clang!"

[–] bystander@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

I'm a 5.

Probably why I prefer graphic novels and was not really into textual books that much. I wish I could play a whole movie in my head while reading a book. I'm so jealous.

My dreams are super vivid though, and lucid dream often. And I remember my dreams in heavy detail. My dreams are like a 1 or 2.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’m probably about a 4, maybe 3.5, on this scale. It kinda sucks not having any idea what it’s like to actually be able to visualize things, so I don’t even really know what I’m missing.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda the point of the headline. Apparently you're not missing much or the ancients would have figured it a handicap, named it and studied it.

Far from a handicap, I was reading that scientists and mathematicians are mostly 5s. Maybe you can save CPU cycles and think in more abstract terms?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

I’m a software engineer, so that tracks.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

There are times I can be "sucked into" a book. I'm in there, seeing the story like its real. I forget about everything else momentarily. Very jarring when my concentration is broken, and suddenly I remember who/where I am.

Also once had the classic "dreaming in code" when stuck on a programming project in school. Words can't properly describe the experience, besides I was dreaming in code. I shot out of bed and immediately typed up the working solution to the problem I was stuck on.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I'm somewhere between 5 and 4 if I'm really trying. Never felt like a handicap or anything before

[–] sparkles@piefed.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

One time I had a dream about the ascii game I played. I dreamed it both IN TEXT, and my brain produced images of the people, places, and things at the same time as I usually imagined them.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

While we're at it, when I start falling asleep reading a novel, it just keeps going in my head, like a movie. And believe it or not, the plot is usually a logical progression from where I left off. Stephan King is perfect for this, but that may be because I've read his books so many times. May also be because his prose flows so smoothly for me that I can just roll with it.

[–] Skunk@jlai.lu 2 points 6 hours ago
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