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Luigi Mangione hearing tests legality of evidence in healthcare CEO murder case (www.theguardian.com)

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Alleged gunman faces nine charges including second-degree murder in New York state case

Luigi Mangione is due to appear in Manhattan state court on Monday for the first day of a potentially weeklong proceeding to weigh the legality of evidence gathered during his arrest after the killing of a prominent healthcare executive.

Mangione was apprehended last December in the murder of senior United HealthCare figure Brian Thompson last December. In addition to state-level charges, he faces a Manhattan federal court case.

Thompson’s brutal slaying on the streets of New York city triggered an intense manhunt for the killer, but also sparked an outpouring of anger at the practices of the US for-profit healthcare industry. Since his arrest Mangione has attracted some enthusiastic supporters, both online and at his court appearances.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 151 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Mangione’s legal team has repeatedly pushed for the exclusion of evidence gathered during his arrest at an Altoona, Pennsylvania, McDonald’s restaurant on 9 December 2024. They have claimed that police, who came to the fast-food eatery based on an anonymous tip, did not immediately apprise Mangione of his constitutional rights.

Mangione’s lawyers have argued that because he was not apprised of his rights, his statements to police should not be permitted in court. They also argue that evidence taken during his arrest should be barred, saying they conducted a “warrantless search” of Mangione’s backpack.

This is the crux of the issue.

Ever since the start I've been saying he was a suspect and they were tracking him based off of illegally obtained evidence. The whole tip was BS. Some random person (most likely cop or fed) told a fast food worker there was a reward and to call it in, then just left.

They needed an excuse to say they found a suspect, because they found him illegally. It's actually standard procedure called "parallel investigation".

But even if the call holds up, they fucked up all the evidence gathering.

I really think he'll get off on a technicality and trump will try to jail him anyways keep the wealthy happy

[–] grue@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

It's actually standard procedure called "parallel investigation".

The usual jargon is "parallel construction," in case somebody wants to look it up.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The way I see this going is

Mangione wins his initial case on the issues you highlight.

Theres a big legal slapfight.

Ends up in front of the supreme court.

Trump makes a public statement about how dangerous people like Mangione need to be found guilty and executed.

Shortly after the statement, the Supreme Court abruptly declares Mangione guilty.

Trump holds a public execution within a month. Possibly profiting off it by selling tickets to his billionaire backers.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

SCOTUS doesn't (normally) rule on guilt, they rule on the legal questions raised in the appeal, and send cases back down to be finished.

[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

(normally)

Doing a lot of heavy lifting there

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[–] flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 89 points 3 days ago (10 children)

A CEO gets killed - the law, the police, the government are all out in droves to find who done it.

Your relative, a friend, your child even gets killed - eh, chances are likely you could get a cold case or not the desired results you were hoping for when the sentencing comes around. Oh and those thoughts and prayers.

It cannot be anymore clear as day as to who is pocketing the authority to do their bidding. Try and tell me with a straight face that the justice system is in favor of the people.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Americans get murdered by insurance company CEO’s and their shareholders every day.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

too bad hes a low level ceo, the real one was witty before he retired and the BOD. witty dint even care that he died, because uhg was under investigation for INSIDER trading, and its likely thompson was the informant, ready to rat them out for immunity. you can google insider trading and ugh/uhc.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

To be fair, if a child dies...if it wasn't in a car crash or a school or accidental shooting, it was probably because of people like this CEO.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 3 days ago

Those car crashes and shootings are also result of policy put forward by people like this CEO.

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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 118 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cops were so thirsty for a conviction they completely broke the chain of custody on their "evidence". The whole thing should be thrown out

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 76 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The slaying wasn’t that brutal

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 65 points 3 days ago (4 children)

A clean, point blank shot to the head is just about as un-brutal as it gets, as far as non-consensual deaths go

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 22 points 3 days ago

A brutal slaying would be taking money from someone for years with the promise that if they get hurt, you will take care of them; and then when that occurs, you force them and their family through tons of beaurocracy before denying their help and consigning them to a slow death.

The editor should be fired for allowing such blatant bias to be published.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Consensual Death would be a good band name.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I think he survived until EMTs maybe even the hospital. Carving words into the bullet casings was pretty morbid, too.

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 88 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Thompson’s brutal slaying on the streets of New York city

Gtfo

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, it was as brutal as any other shooting. Do cops shooting kids ever get described as "brutal"?

It's not like he was beaten to death with a tire iron, or denied treatment and left to a slow and agonizing death that also leaves your family in ruins.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you think about it, Luigi had far more compassion than the man he killed. Pretty quick and painless; compared to the outcomes of our healthcare system.

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[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

This BRUTAL ASSASSINATION of a poor little innocent ceo who definitely didn't profit on the corpses of thousands of people who were denied healthcare specifically because of his own intentional policies. This precious baby ceo was MORDERED in COLD BLOOD by this bloodthirsty ~~mass~~ murdering ~~immigrant~~ ~~minority~~ who hated him because FREEDOM and the BRAVE and BOLD decision of the ceo to allow poor people to be able to CHOOSE to die via paperwork ~~as a weapon~~. Surely this ceo who's name we can't find for some reason is smiling down on his beloved healthcare industry from the heaven that definitely exists. We hope the ultra powerful and scary ~~mass~~ murderer Luigi Mangione gets the JUSTICE the people of this country are clamoring for.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago

It was just a corrective market force.

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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 95 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My man is innocent. Was not even there.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't look remotely like the guy in that original mugshot they were flashing around.

[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right? This has bothered me from the beginning. He's not the guy in the footage who shoots Thompson, and it's obvious. But they need someone to take the fall as an example, to protect the rich.

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If that was the case, wouldn't his lawyers have a better argument than "the cops gathered evidence wrong"?

There is wishful thinking, and our own biases about this case, but I feel like if the current story were true, we wouldn't be splitting hairs about Miranda rights. And to be very clear, from what I understand,supreme court precedent, specifically New York v. Quarles, it has been already established that you don't actually have to be read your Miranda rights if there is a public safety exception. I imagine that will be main counter argument.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a weak argument from the people who have all the official details of the interaction and narrative they are pushing.

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Luigi was with me the whole time.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You're a liar.

He was balls deep in my wife at the time this supposed murder took place.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like ThePyroPython is your wife

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[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 56 points 4 days ago (3 children)

How are the court hearings going for the cops that murder family members?

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Whathhearings?

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[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Y'all need to look at the McDonald's manager's 911 call. She says that several customers are coming up to her and telling her it's the guy from the shooting and then she goes on to describe him as wearing a medical mask and sunglasses, etc.

So some guy who is mostly covered up looks like a guy who is mostly covered up? Yeah right. And you're telling me a ton of customers recognized him? Wtf

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It was a bullshit call, they used NSA surveillance methods to track him. I'm not normally an unhinged conspiracy theorist but this time around I'm absolutely convinced they used everything in their toolbox to track him down since he was a threat to the status quo, instead of the usual school children which the rich are more than happy to sacrifice.

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[–] Sasquatch@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In the women’s restroom, Mangione’s supporters chatted among themselves about this proceeding.

Truely top-tier journalism

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

That looks bad......if you take it completely out of context

The author just added some levity while writing about his widespread support

[...] One, who sported a satiny sash emblazoned with Luigi in green, appeared to commiserate with another supporter about not being permitted to wear the prom-queen evoking accessory.

Other accoutrements were more straightforward. One supporter wore a shirt stating: “11 minutes of missing body camera footage.”

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pretty sure his hearing is fine, not syre why he needs hearing tests

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Maybe he was holding the gun he designed and printed and was found in his bag too close to his head.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Free Luigi! Remember Remember the 4th of December. Jail the insurance CEO’s and Shareholders for mass murder!

[–] watson@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

He’s so hot, OMG

The only crime here is that he is not my husband

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Self defense. Actually self defense plus defending his fellows. I see no crime in this. Luigi is innocent!

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