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This article is about Germany rapidly increasing defence spending, and also the fact that they're considering conscription. I also found this interesting:

A recent YouGov poll showed that 79% of Germans still see Vladimir Putin as "very" or "quite" dangerous to European peace and security. Now 74% said the same for Donald Trump.

Thoughts?

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That seems an apt assessment.

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

~ $ apt assessment

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[–] elvith@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This time one right side of the history. Let’s hope.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Hey, we were on the right side last time too... politically

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I have many friends here in eu talking about Europe getting militant as a bad thing. I'm not for escalating conflict in any way, but would like to hear some alternatives.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 88 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

There really is no alternative. History (especially in Europe) has proven a near infinite amount of times that peace through strength is the only language imperialistic dictatorships understand.

Appease them and they will see that as an encouragement to come for you.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Paradox of tolerance.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (27 children)

We either get militant, or we get steamrolled by those that already are.

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[–] FreddyBeissen@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think bolstering up defence spending is bad.

It is much better to be prepared than sorry, also negotiating from a strong standpoint is helpful towards some other nations.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The EU defense spending is already massive, easily outclassing everyone but the US.

The problem is on what the money is spend on, as much is wasted to national white elephants or transferred to unreliable US defense companies.

And in general way too much is spend on global force projection tech. There is for example no need for the EU to have a navy fleet that can operate independently for many months in the Pacific.

[–] Melchior@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

China is up there too, with U.S. $236.1 billion in 2024.

There is for example no need for the EU to have a navy fleet that can operate independently for many months in the Pacific.

So Tahiti or New Caledonia do not need a navy to be protected. I am sure the French will be exited by having part of their country not being protected by the EU.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

I'm curious. Please ask them for alternatives to fighting back when Russia invades and report back.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Economic sanctions is one alternative. See North Korea. It doesn't work very well against Russia because they do have a lot of resources and their population is used to scarcity. This tactic would be more efficient against, say USA, because quite frankly, the western lifestyle is not self-sufficient.

Another alternative is to use Putin's own "special military operations" where instead of fighting a war front to front, they attack specific targets or throw people out of windows.

This is difficult for Europe to do, because we like to align with each other before doing anything serious. That way, actual democracies are not fit to do this kind of stuff in comparison to a dictatorship, but it's possible if anyone feels it's necessary. However it rarely has a positive outcome. It's like flipping the table and hoping something better comes up.

Overall, all agressive behavior leads to a losing position. Nobody has ever won a war or even a street fight. Both sides lose. The victory goes to those who wins the peace. So that's what Europe is constantly trying to do by diplomacy.

Even if I dislike spending ressources on military, it might make sense to armour up, just to keep a seat at the table of peace negotiation.

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[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

As an Alsatian, I just hop they keep the AFD in check for the foreseeable future !

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

More like the AFD's new arm

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Germany is pretty confused. They continued doing lucrative business with putin even long after he invaded Ukraine for the first time, but now they are arming against him. If they could only have stopped themselves from funding the russian military for decades then maybe they wouldn’t need to be funding theirs now.

Hopefully those soldiers won’t be deployed to build nord stream 3 in a couple of years.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

Well, the gas pipeline was built in the early 2000s to get russia on board as a business partner to prevent escalation. As the saying goes: if the goods are not rolling, the tanks are rolling between countries.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

You could say Germany isn't unique though. The US is also split between those who want to be friendly with Russia (Republicans) and those who don't (Democrats).

With Germany I guess Merkel believed that business ties with Russia would persuade Russia to not threaten Europe, but now that theory has been disproven, so Germans seem to be more supportive of the idea of cutting ties with Russia and boosting Germany's defence spending.

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