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[–] gucken@lemmy.ml 1 points 33 minutes ago

I would venture to guess that the unilateral phrasing is referring to the fact that Iran's response did force Israel to turn to the US to intervene and broker a pause in hostility... thus halting Israel's aggression.

They did this without the offered aid from Russia or China. Unlike Israel who started the aggression and required the US to step in on its behalf

[–] gucken@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Bibi (and the west) wanted regime change


that did not happen. The bulk of Iranians rallied around the current govt. He wanted to eradicate Iran's ability to enrich


that did not happen.

There is huge international outcry, just not in the west. One could argue that the consequences of this outcry isnt substantially retaliatory, but there is no doubt major outcry from the global majority and has only strengthened defense agreements among the major powers supporting Iran.

It was already known that the US would aid in Israel's defense, especially considering that this attack was jointly coordinated. So while the US intervened, it was only intended to deescalate, evident by the potempkin attack on Iran's nuclear sites. Bibi's ultimate goal is to have the US involved in a long-term, official military capacity, which it did not achieve.

Trump got the opposite of what he wanted. He completely alienated his base by forsaking his promise to not get militarily involved in West Asian affairs and drag the US into more war. A significant number of his supporters view him as weak in this regard, not a so-called strongman. And what does he have to materially show for his efforts


nada.


This is a victory for Iran because the mystique of Israel has been completely broken by Iranian missiles. Everyone in the region thought Israel was unassailable -- supported by the US with the weapons and forces of the US -- they assumed it was invulnerable. And now it's quite clearly vulnerable and was so at the point of breaking apart, because there are a lot of pressures inside of Israel right now. The myth of Israeli technical, material superiority and exceptionalism has been punctured. This is major.

What impact this will have within the region however, we will see.

[–] gucken@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

From what I understand, Israel requested a pause to the hostilities (there's not exactly an official ceasefire in geopolitical terms as there are several necessary frameworks, procedures and agreements required that was not applied in this case) because alongside depletion of its air defense missiles, it was taking significant damage to key sectors of its economy: Haifa, the pivot point for EU to counter the East West corridor, was taking significant damage including it's oil refinery, its loss of commerce via its 3 ports, 1 of which is completely closed and a displacement of a significant number of it's citizens. Essentially the economy was beginning to shut down.

The bombardment Iran was inflicting on Israel would overrun Israel's ability to defend against it -- it's widely believed that Iran has large stockpiles of missiles well beyond Israel's capacity.

So rather than provide Israel with more munitions to an air defense that was proving to already be inefficient, the US stepped in with it's attack on Iran's nuclear sites... which we all know now was mostly theater

[–] gucken@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

Iran incurred some losses, no doubt, however the myth that Iran has zero air defense systems is a talking point spread by the West to bolster their supposed victory.

A portion of Iran's Air defense systems were destroyed, however a significant amount were simply disabled via cyber attack for a period of about 8 hours at the start of Israel's attack, however these have been restored.

Also, Russia has air defense systems that also protects portions of Iran's airspace so it's not exactly defenseless in that regard.

[–] gucken@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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