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UK, France, Germany, U.S. drop all restrictions on types of weapons available to Ukraine, including Germany's Taurus and range limits on missiles, enabling Kyiv to strike targets deep inside Russia (www.intellinews.com)
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Great Britain, France, Germany and the United States have lifted restrictions on the types of weapons that can be supplied to Ukraine, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced on May 26. (video)

The move clears the way for the EU to send its most powerful and long-range missiles to Kyiv that can strike targets deep inside Russian territory, something the allies have been reluctant to do for fears of escalating tensions with the Kremlin and possibly provoking a direct clash between Russia and Nato countries in Europe.

"There are no longer any range restrictions on weapons supplied to Ukraine, not from the British, not from the French, not from us, not from the Americans either. This means that Ukraine can now also defend itself by attacking military positions in Russia, for example,” Merz said during an interview on German television. β€œIt couldn't do that until some time ago, and with very few exceptions, it didn't do that until some time ago. Now it can. In jargon, we call this long-range fire, i.e., equipping Ukraine with weapons that attack military targets in the rear.”

The decision comes the day after Russia launched a devastating missile and drone barrage on Ukraine over the weekend of May 23-25 that largely targeted civilian targets in Kyiv and many other urban centres in Ukraine – amongst the largest attacks since the war started over three years ago.

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The decision also clears the way for Germany to deliver its powerful Taurus cruise missiles that Kyiv had been asking for, but Berlin had so far been reluctant to supply. Merz didn’t mention the Taurus missiles by name during his interview, but has suggested that unlike former German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, he was not against supplying Kyiv with the missile, which can hit Russian targets deep in the rear or could destroy the Kerch bridge connecting Russia to the Crimean peninsula.

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[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Finally. But what's been going on in Russia isn't making sense either.

Consider: Some estimates show Russia used 69 missiles and 298 drones between May 23-25.

Googling, "How much does a Russian drone cost?" gives: The cost of Russian drones varies significantly depending on the type and capabilities. Some cheaper drones like the "Ghoul" quadcopter cost as little as $500, while others, like the Shahed-136, are estimated to range from $20,000 to $80,000. More advanced drones, such as the Merlin-VR, can cost over $300,000

So let's say they used a mid-range drone, call it $30,000. 298 of them is $8,940,000.

Google again, "How much does a Russian missile used against Ukraine cost?". Lots of variation, but call it $500,000 for each of the 69 used, for a total of $34,500,000.

So, for this two-day attack, they spent about $43-44 million dollars. And Google again, "How many people were killed in Ukraine May 23-25" says, "at least 12".

Twelve people killed for $44 million. How stupid can you get? Do the Russians realize they could have simply bought the land they want in the Ukraine, if they'd done so through a dummy corporation or something like that?

I realize it's the whole, "terror" thing, but frankly Ukraine ain't terrified.

And now they're going to be really well armed, and off the chain.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm quite sure that not all losses/hits are reported to prevent easy damage assessment. With all my contempt for Russia, I cannot imagine that they didn't hit any actually useful target. The mass of munitions is generally used to overwhelm defences.

And we can't forget the information/propaganda part of this war excellently played by both countries here, even though in different ways. It makes sense for Ukraine to play up the murder of civilians and not mention military losses.

Of course, I may be completely wrong here and the orcs are just trying to intimidate Ukraine to surrender with that. But that has rarely worked and definitely won't work on Ukraine.

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