The podcast itself is quite interesting if you can handle moments of extreme liberalism, both hosts admit that china is living in the future and that America has failed on a structural level

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

NGL, while abundance liberals are in the right place, I have been informed its leaders are gigafash. Normies? By all means, I’d love to chat with them but the whole abundance agenda can fuck right off.

EDIT: While I still think its worthwhile to reach out to disaffected libs. I take back my endorsement of the abundance agenda. I refuse to “hand it to” fascists of any flavor, including Strasserites with rainbow flags.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

I absolutely disagree that they are a few good conversations from being left-wing. Especially for the libs that are pushing the abundance agenda, the abundance agenda is specifically a way to off ramp liberal voters who are radicalizing from listening to left-wing analysis. It is a limp response to the question "Why isn't M4A even on the agenda anymore? What happened to the GND or Bidenomics?"

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

nope they are possibly the furthest from communism of anyone. They have woven intricate fantasies to insulate themselves from having to be leftwing. They are specifically anti-left and their ideology is handmade to innoculate peole against the left.

Just like the radlibs were the most fervent warmongers, and in fact the most dangerous imperialists in the USA, these are the most dangerous reactionaries.

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Abundance is an interesting phenomenon. Its the first time since the Great Society libs propose a grand vision of the world instead of their usual brandon nothing will fundamentally change other than welfare tweaks

I agree that a lot of them are ripe for moving left as their vision runs into the brick wall of capital

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Their "grand vision" is just "produce more" which is literally just capitalism. There is nothing new about it and I fail to see how it's an interesting phenomenon to you.