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It's infuriating to create a "strong password" with letters, numbers, upper and lowercase, symbols, and non-repeating text... but it has to be only 8 to 16 characters long.

That's not a "strong" password, random characters or not.

Is there a limitation that somehow prevents these sites from allowing more than 16 characters?

I'm talking government websites, not just forums. It seems crazy to me.

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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 51 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

There are valid reasons to limit password length. For example when a hashing function is used that requires a lot of processing power and the amount of power required to calculate the hash is related to the length. In that (very common) case, a denial of service attack vector is exposed. By simply spamming insane long passwords into a login form for example, the servers calculating the hash get easily overloaded. Even with rate limiting, only a small number of attacking nodes can be used to pull down a site.

So a maximum number of characters for a password is a valid thing to do. HOWEVER the maximum length for this purpose is usually set at something like 2048 or 4096 characters.

There is no excuse for a max password length of 16, that's just terrible.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Sixteen is the minimum where I work. We upped it at the end of last year. Fortunately, we also fixed our password policy to expire annually. It used to be every three months, which leads to recycling.

[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's always recycling. Or changing that final character from a 1 to a 2, etc. The human brain just cant handle the complexity otherwise.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Use a couple words instead of letters, you’ll find it easier to remember and not use repeats. Bicycle Uber Pancake 4* should be more secure than some random bunch of letters you’ll forget.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just use a password manager. No need to remember anything besides your master password. That works for pretty much everything, except I guess computer logins.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well yes everyone should use a password manager but some people can't load a password manager onto their work computer and therefore are more likely to use non-random passwords. It's easier to remember a passphrase than a random password.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fortunately, we force everyone to use a password manager at my company. SSO all the things!

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

We got SSO systems too, unfortunately, there are about 3 of them, lol. The old ADFS, the current Microsoft login (possibly cloud AD, not sure), and our own ID product that we offer to customers.

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