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Satellite imagery taken after the US strike on Iran's Fordow site showed smoke rising from the fuel enrichment plant. US President Donald Trump claimed key Iranian nuclear sites had been "obliterated," while Iran claimed it had removed nuclear material from the sites before the strikes.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m an American and I hate to break this to you but the people elected this clown. That’s how it works here. You didn’t vote for him? Okay. But until you’re doing absolutely everything you can to prevent people like him being elected, you don’t get to just shrug off responsibility. I know exactly two people who are doing everything they can, and neither of them is me.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a tough one. Even the people who voted for him are mainly guilty of being gullible. Noone is born maga. They get indoctrinated. The gullible believe it, the rest make up all the stories about family political arguments at holiday dinners...

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And Trump is that way because he's an unintelligent nepobaby. We have to draw a line somewhere.

Trump is mostly a pawn really. The people pulling the strings is where the line should be drawn. They know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That’s fairly true of everyone and everything. We are born into a culture and it influences us greatly. I don’t think adults get any kind of a pass because of that. Certainly Americans of voting age have options about what to think and believe, regardless of where they start out.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's basically victim blaming. You are implying they have a choice to be less gullible? And yeah, it is a large group, the size of it doesn't really matter. The powers that be are taking advantage of the masses for thier own purposes. And they know they are doing it.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As an outsider, I don't blame the people who voted for him the first time but the second time? Nope. People had a choice to be less gullible because there was evidence that he is not fit to lead: felony charges, nepotism, incompetence, derangement etc.

It's cognitive dissonance from the top down.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's not how gullible works. You don't have a choice. Evidence doesn't matter if you are convinced it is fake news. And yes, I have met people who really believed all of that was fake news.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 points 4 hours ago

... Yes it is.

And this.

Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action

Don't forget that most of American media outlets aren't very conservative, compared to places like Australia and China, for example, where a majority if not all the media is owned and operated by a single entity.

Australia managed to shirk the rise of Dutton and the Liberal party, which is GOP-wannabe-lite, and we kicked them to the curb even though almost all of our media did a massive scaremongering campaign and was constantly doing puff pieces and character assassinations.

So, I'm saying that you all do have a choice and, additionally, you all desperately need access to proper mental healthcare because only truly sick and gullible people could vote for Trump again.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m saying they are adults and they have some responsibilities. I have lived in a place where thought options were actively suppressed, and I know how much freedom and information access Americans have. It’s true there is abuse and manipulation and lying out there. But no, I am not comfortable calling MAGAts victims and blaming someone else for how they vote. They are indeed getting fooled, but let’s be real: it’s a “fool me twice” situation in Trump’s second term.

But look at the data. Forvthe most part it is the red states he is hurting the most. They litterally are the victums. Doesn't stop me from hating them, but I know the blame doesn't really belong on them. The people who deserve the blame just want us to blame them.