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Israeli soldiers in Gaza told Haaretz that the army has deliberately fired at Palestinians near aid distribution sites over the past month. Conversations with officers and soldiers reveal that commanders ordered troops to shoot at crowds to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat.

"It's a killing field," one soldier said. "Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day. They're treated like a hostile force – no crowd-control measures, no tear gas – just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. Then, once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they know they can approach. Our form of communication is gunfire."

The soldier added, "We open fire early in the morning if someone tries to get in line from a few hundred meters away, and sometimes we just charge at them from close range. But there's no danger to the forces." According to him, "I'm not aware of a single instance of return fire. There's no enemy, no weapons." He also said the activity in his area of service is referred to as Operation Salted Fish – the name of the Israeli version of the children's game "Red light, green light".

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it’s always been clear that the Holocaust was a teachable moment. However I never expected the victims to take home precisely these lessons

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm tired of people saying the victims of the holocaust did this.

not only a tiny minority of the country survived the holocaust, but those people are marginalised in Israel.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Indeed.

Israel was created by amongst others Jewish terrorist groups, who at one point even tried to ally with the Nazis.

They're the very opposite of Holocaust Survivors (which is probably why in present day Israel, Holocaust survivors are stigmatized and seen as "weak").

One needs to believe that there's some kind of Jewish Hive-mind (one of the anti-semitic notions imaginable) to think that Israeli Zionists, who share nothing other than etnicity with the survivors of the Holocaust, would have felt the trauma that Holocaust survivors felt.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

Wanted to joke about the Jewish hivemind being about bagels.

but then I realized how bagels are almost an American hew thing, and every Jewish community worldwide is so different and diverse, and the largest entity erasing that Jewish diversity is the state of Israel. paving all Jewish heritage with stolen hummus

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sure, on a personal level, that’s true. But the country identifies its roots and legitimacy as based in and on the holocaust. It’s what its government never gets tired of repeating. Worse: ‘never again’ is actively used as the excuse for genocide.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Imperial power will co-opt, steal, bastardize, and butcher whatever peoples or messages it has to in order to justify its own legitimacy.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

which is coopted propaganda.

Zionism predates the holocaust. although one of the motivations for Zionism were other pogroms.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure. But the state of Israel is a UN-creation right after WW2, with the holocaust as the explicit motivator

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Zionism started way before

that's like saying a movie is created when the producer makes a speech at the premier.

Also, that vote also created the state of Palestine. so I remind everyone that says Israel has a UN mandate that Palestine has the exact same one.