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[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But Mexico City is most likely my cheap and easy go-to escape plan for if/when shit hits the fan in the U.S. I wonder if others had the same thought.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

What exactly is the threshold you're waiting for on this escape plan?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stay in the US and clean up your own fucking messes instead of expecting the countries the US has exploited the living shit out of to achieve your high quality of life in the US to take care of your removed ass. The fucking entitlement. Mexico doesn't owe you a fucking escape hatch.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone has one life to live. Most people younger than 60 have had next to no control over the US government through any phase of their lives - hard to rationalize this being "their own" mess. Telling these people that they must risk their lives, rather than seeking better ones is pretty ethically problematic.

And on the other side of the coin, that is the exact same rhetoric used by racists and xenophobes to argue against asylum seekers.

(Note: This really doesn't apply to the tax-dodging shitheads who are avoiding paying for the societal benefits that they enjoy.)

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Running away rather than fighting = absolute cowardice

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 21 hours ago

I would say that it is cowardice to demand that others risk their lives while enjoying relative safety. And anyone attempting to force another to risk their lives for any reason is attempting to rob others of their agency over the most fundamental thing that any human has right to: their life.

Maybe it's nice sentiment for a healthy teenager or 20-something that isn't responsible for anyone else's well-being. However, is that reality doesn't fit neatly into black and white; bravery and cowardice (and glory is just a lie that the rich and old tell the young and poor to get them to fight and die for them). Sometimes the braver and more just thing is to fulfill one's responsibilities to their spouse, children, or dependents and ensure that they are able to live to help others. And other's have had so much taken from them by a place that asking for them to also give their life is pure sadism.

Beyond that, not everyone is physically, mentally or socially equipped for warfare, which is a good thing because humanity also needs farmers, doctors, teachers, and other builders.