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[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (21 children)

In the 70s, people were making this argument about voting for the lesser of two evils, but it was between two Keynesians rather than two neoliberals. That was 50 years ago. Nixon was to the left of every president in my lifetime. 50 years from now, just how right wing will the Democrat we have to vote for be?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (12 children)

With Gavin Newsom, a Charlie Kirk podcast guest, the choice in 2028 might be two fascists.

We lost to Nixon and it got worse. We lost to Regan and it got worse. We lost to two different Bushes and it got worse. Now we've lost to Trump twice and it got worse.

The throughline is that we keep losing to the greater evil and suffering the consequences of things getting worse as a result. That includes worse choices next time as the Democrats move to the right to chase the people who vote for the greater evil. As opposed to going for people who don't vote or throw away their vote to a third party.

The Democratic Party is going to be rightwing until people learn we have to vote in addition to everything else to get Democrats to move to the left. They will only think about moving left if they win elections. And they only move left when they think they have enough voters to win when they do move.

If we, leftists, want better choices in 50 years we have got to vote in records numbers, so if Democrats get their act together and get someone half-way decent they win. And when they do, they see a leftist voter block got them there.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

We elected Carter and it got worse, we elected Clinton and it got worse, we elected Obama and it got worse, we elected Biden and it got worse.

The throughline is that we keep beating the greater evil and suffering the consequences of things getting worse as a result.

Those wins are we how we got gay marriage. After decades of activism queer people won rights. It took time and effort and consistently turning out for elections. And a ton of shifting the culture through the media people consumed. But the voting is a mechanical necessity to bring that result about. There's no way around it. We need to vote for the furthest left Democrats we can.

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