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[โ€“] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 106 points 2 days ago (83 children)

controversial opinionThese nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.

[โ€“] Nangijala@feddit.dk 38 points 2 days ago (14 children)

It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.

It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.

I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that" ๐Ÿคก "I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" ๐Ÿคก "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" ๐Ÿคก

I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".

Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.

[โ€“] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I do agree with almost everything you wrote, but I don't understand the moral consequence. One do not have to think they're too smart or too pure to take some kind of solace from the fact that there's one less fascist walking the earth.

To me, that has nothing to do with being "better" as a human. It's just that their project means my/our death. The more they grow, the more we die and vice versa. I do not dehumanize them nor do I think they're stupid or deserve anything.

It's as simple as : the more they grow, the more anything I care for will wither away.

[โ€“] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All that was said was that they are still human. Even if we dislike them. That is all. I find it interesting how defensive people are being about acknowledging that a terrible person is still a person.

If we stop acknowledging a bad person as a being a person, we have become what we hate. Its got nothing to do with caring or not caring about a kkk member dying. All we have reacted to was the claim that the guy wasn't a human. That is the dangerous part.

ICYMI, I didn't want to sound defensive. I mean it's an interesting conservation, and I found it intriguing that I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote yet arrive at a slightly different conclusion. People don't always look to pick fights, sometimes, it's just about discussion.

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