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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 28 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Wouldn't a mutation in the deer sight to see orange be vastly evolutionary beneficial?

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Only in areas with tigers, and then it would only express itself enough if there were enough evolutionary pressure exclusively on that survival tactic.

As long as other causes of death happen to deer in tiger territories and as long as speed remains a good survival strategy, minor mutations that would only provide an advantage in extreme specific scenarios like a tiger stalking them wouldn't have a chance to be spread.

There's also a whole host of additional brain power that needs to be dedicated to more complex colour blending and processing, and that may add enough delay to offset any potential gain in recognizing a threat.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

minor mutations that would only provide an advantage in extreme specific scenarios … wouldn't have a chance to be spread.

Most north europeans can digest lactose.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

North Europe is a frozen wasteland where nothing grows for like a third of the year, being able to digest lactose in those months is hugely advantageous. I don't think "winter" counts as an "extreme specific scenario"

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Hey northern europe is not all Iceland.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Black death IIRC. Milk was one of few easily availabke foods when farmers died off. So, extremely specific scenario.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 11 points 2 days ago

It could, but it might also lead to something harmful for the deer at the same time. I'm not sure if the gene affecting the deer's eyesight is known, but it could be a pleiotropic gene (a gene that influences multiple traits at once).

If that's the case, and the other effect is negative and somehow spreads through the population, it could become a future issue for the deer. Think about humansβ€”we lost the ability to produce our own vitamin C. Almost every other mammal can produce their own (except for hamsters). When this happened, it didn’t harm us right away, so it spread through the population. But over time, it led to issues that weren’t a problem before, like scurvy.

Same could happen to the deer.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 11 points 2 days ago

Presumably yes, but its still down to a roll of the dice whether a mutation like that happens in the first place, and whether the individuals who have that mutation live long enough to breed, and whether that mutation actually gets passed down, etc

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It's been far more important, evolution wise, to be agile and quick enough to avoid predators. Like a security camera can only tell you how someone was murdered.

[–] hexabs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And then soon we'd have green tigers.

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There are no green mammals because of some biology reason I can't remember.

[–] hexabs@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah I think it was a balance patch, because mammals that could photosynthesize were too OP.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Basically all mammalian pigmentation is just melanin, so mammal colorings are mostly just different amounts of brown combined with different amounts of red, and some animals don't even have the red.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Some birds and insects are green.

[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

True, but they aren’t mammals.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No, why is it so hard for mammals to make green? Even green eyes are just a reflection/interferrence trick.

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's hard to do with fur, I believe. Birds and bugs also don't have green pigment, I believe. But they also don't have fur.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Right, i just remembered that green and blue in feathers is also just a interferrence trick. Same in bug shell.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Also, the vast majority of mammals don't see green either.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Competitive advantage over their deer peers.