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You know what I've realized lately? Liberals across the anglosphere would rather spend their time fantasizing about a Civil War or Day of the Rope or WW3 or whatever because it's a more fun and flattering projection than the much more likely reality of conditions in the Core becoming worse and worse and worse over the course of decades until it's stopped by a cohesive revolutionary movement. It's less hopeless to imagine a big dramatic conflagration where fascists either win or lose than it is to imagine a future where, regardless of which team is in office, the working class (and/or labour aristocracy) keeps getting steadily crushed with no obvious heroic rebel group coming in to rescue them, year after year, decade after decade. And, more importantly, it absolves one of any individual responsibility by imagining that eventually a Civil War will happen and either absolve the contradictions (good ending) or doom everybody (in which case it doesn't matter). I'm willing to be wrong about all of this. But from I can see, the non-stop dooming about things like ecology and economic issues like AI is a subconscious way for people to tell themselves that "we're fucked anyways" which means they don't have to learn or do anything really because We're Doomed. It's easier for people to imagine the apocalypse than it is to imagine the end of capitalism, to quote some guy.
Doom is certainly not our inevitable future but it is where we are going given our direction. Perpetual deterioration is its own doom. Drowning in discourse is its own doom.
I don't believe people actually think we are fucked. I don't think they believe we are doomed. No one even knows what that means. I think denial is far more palpable than any other sentiment. And I would say helplessness is more potent than doom as well. People that understand the problem are drowned out by denial, not doom. Far too many still hold faith in traditional avenues for me to believe doomerism is anything but disingenuous.
My issue with the fantasy (civil war/ww3) is that it can not mean anything positive. These are ungrounded fantastic scenarios where we can't hope to take a meaningful victory. We can only hope to continue our cause and protect our communities to the degree we can prepare and organize ourselves.
I agree with all of this. I admit this was kinda a vent post on my part and not totally materially grounded and was actually gonna delete it. I guess it just frustrates me how many people base their vision of the future on a romantic, pop culture ideal of a Final Conflict where elections are cancelled and other nazi ww2 tropes when the reality will probably be that all elected capitalist officials, regardless of party, work in lockstep to keep the working class in their place. I think we agree that most people ARE good and do just want to live in peace, they're just forming a flawed model of the future using a flawed model of the past (fed to them by capitalist media).