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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (7 children)

(Mass dislikes time!)

Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.

That still doesn't change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

You can't shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago

That still doesn't change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

But it's not a fact though? You can't imagine up some fictional scenario and then just claim it's a fact; words have meanings

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

If not reeducation, which method would you prefer China use to combat the foreign radical Wahhabism and terrorism spread by the CIA in Xinjiang for the purpose of regional destabilization and regime change?

We all know how the US chose to implement its own war on terror. Muslim majority countries in the Middle East support China's method.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 hours ago

Vocational training and extraordinary rendition & torture at a black site are exactly the same. You fool. You absolute baffoon.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

Previously:

The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same mapimperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

Much like how after China foiled their attempted color revolution in 1989, the CIA had to pivot to the "Tinyman Square Massacre" narrative.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 hours ago

Very much like that, and they’re still getting mileage out of it with no effort, because Lemmitors get an endorphin rush every time they do the CIA’s work for free, the brave defenders of freedom & democracy that they are 🤦‍♂️

[–] tyler@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Sources:

  • china news propaganda site
  • medium article from rando
  • project syndicate link which is an op-ed site (not news)
  • a wiki page from an incredibly biased group
  • a youtube link...
  • a site calling itself a news site, yet no actual credentials, but seems to be associated with China (Ajit Singh has written Chinese propaganda books)
  • a substack link

This has to be the least compelling list of evidence one could provide, and yet you get upvotes because it looks like you've provided proof of something. All you've done is provide a lot of incredibly, seriously biased opinions with no actual facts at all.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago

As opposed to all those unbiased sources you've provided, lol.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, I wonder why there aren’t any Western corporate media sources with a Media Bias/Fact Check seal of approval…

Previously:

The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.

The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.

This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.

The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”

None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.


* I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:

[–] dangrousperson@feddit.org -1 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

It's OK to distrust more than one Government, but how anyone can believe the Chineses Government in this matter is beyond me.

Did you not see the insanely violent crack down on Hong Kong Democracy Movement with you own eyes? Do you not remember Tianamen Square? Great Fire-Wall?

Theres liyteraly over 10GB or evidence of the persecution of Uyghurs by the Chinese Government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files

I can understand not wanting to believe/trust the US and EU Govs, but trusting the Chinese Government is (IMO) insane.

[–] Spectrism@feddit.org 3 points 49 minutes ago

The Xinjiang Police Files are said to be leaked documents from the Xinjiang internment camps, forwarded to anthropologist Adrian Zenz from an anonymous source.

Adrian Nikolaus Zenz (born 1974) is a German anthropologist known for his studies of the Xinjiang internment camps and persecution of Uyghurs in China. He is a director and senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an anti-communist think tank established by the US government and based in Washington, DC.

Yeah... not suspicious at all.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

It’s OK to distrust more than one Government

Then you should try it, you hypocritical dipshit. You believe everything that comes out of the western propaganda machine without question, and then assume anyone who doesn't believe them are "believing the Chinese government"

If it were 2002 you would be accusing anyone who didn't believe Iraq of having WMDs of "believing Saddam!"

Do you not remember Tianamen Square

So do you do this in the opposite direction? When people doubt a claim made by China, do you start randomly bringing up unrelated events from forty years ago. What exactly was the chain of reasoning that made you thought this was relevant? Oh right, there wasn't one: you've just been trained like a literal dog to compulsively blurt out "Tinyman Square!" every time you hear the word "China".

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Cursing

get a load of this

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

That's the reddit mindset: being as rude, condescending, and smug as humanly possible is fine, but a naughty word is just uncivil.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

"How anyone can believe the foreigners is beyond me" Let me guess you don't consider foreigners human

"All foreigners are 'insane' btw" calm down hitler

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

Did you not see the insanely violent crack down on Hong Kong Democracy Movement with you own eyes?

Previously:

The UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate the people of Hong Kong ended, a lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion. The last minute, US-backed attempt at color revolution failed. It was the so-called “revolutionaries” who brought the brutality, by the way.


Do you not remember Tianamen Square?

Previously:

I’ve already asked another commenter this but it’s valid here too: Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?

Only someone misinformed about the 1989 protest and US/CIA/NED-orchestrated, murderously violent riot would ask this, which to be fair is 99% of Westerners.


Great Fire-Wall?

The firewall isn’t there to keep Chinese people from The Truth. It’s there to keep imperial core meddling out, and to help China develop its own domestic internet services. In contrast, the rest of the world is dependent on / addicted to US internet services from Google/Alphabet, Amazon, Facebook/Meta, Microsoft, etc., which many countries are beginning to regret.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files

I already covered Xinjang elsewhere in this post, and if you had read it you would know that Adrian Zenz is a crackpot.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You're arguing with a guy that doesn't want to change their mind. He literally sent me a video whose sources contradicted him and guess what happened when I pointed that to him? Never bothered to reply and he still uses that video as proof that he's right.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

As opposed to you people, who are totally open and eager to change your minds

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world -3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Seeing as how I actually watched his video and looked at their sources and other sources and only after that did I reply? Yes. And even to this day I still leave room for doubt. I still think the truth is actually somewhere in the middle. Not you, tho. You're convinced that what you believe is correct.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Not you, tho. You’re convinced that what you believe is correct.

Yeah, as opposed to believing what I believe is incorrect...

Do you even understand the concept of other minds?

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

I mean, you obviously have some reading comprehension issues. You can believe something and still be only 90% sure of it. I said that you're convinced. Aka that you're 100% sure. Perhaps I could've used a stronger word, but still.. let's not pretend your argument is any better than the previous one which got deleted within minutes lol.

You didn't even bother asking about the video, because you don't care. That's how little you care about changing your mind. But you're quick to call me a moron for daring to speak ill of your buddy.. hmm..

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 14 points 8 hours ago

this post isn't cheering on china, it's shitting on the west's hypocrisy.

also you might want to look up who funded the wahabis who groomed the terrorists that the crackdown is a response to.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

"Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.

That still doesn't change the fact that Iraq is building weapons of mass destruction to attack the USA.

You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another."

Seriously, how many times do you need to hear it before you western chauvanists realise it's not about "good or bad", it's about trustworthy or untrustworthy.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

Ironically Abrahamic religion’s influence feeds into liberalism’s good vs. evil worldview.

Philosophy professor Hans-Georg Moeller: If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You can't shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

“Authoritarian state” is a bullshit category. Authoritarian states are just states insufficiently subservient to Washington. It’s no more or less coherent than “terrorist state,” which the US uses in the same way.

“Authoritarianism” is the contemporary word for “totalitarianism,” which is just an erudite-seming term for horseshoe theory, which is horseshit. Previously:

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

.ml simps so fucking hard for authoritarians in Russia and China?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

To liberals, "simping so fucking hard" literally just means, "not believing literally every piece of propaganda that right wing western propaganda outlets pump out about them.

If they were old enough to be paying attention in 2002, they would be accusing anyone who didn't believe Iraq had WMDs of "simping so fucking hard" for Saddam.

[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You don't believe there are WMD? What are you some authoritarian simping tankie?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

🤣 Their jabs are so far off the mark, but every time they think they’ve hit the bullseye. If they could see our fremdschämen faces…