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An engineer got curious about how his iLife A11 smart vacuum worked and monitored the network traffic coming from the device. That’s when he noticed it was constantly sending logs and telemetry data to the manufacturer — something he hadn't consented to. The user, Harishankar, decided to block the telemetry servers' IP addresses on his network, while keeping the firmware and OTA servers open. While his smart gadget worked for a while, it just refused to turn on soon after. After a lengthy investigation, he discovered that a remote kill command had been issued to his device.

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[–] j4k3@piefed.world 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Stalkerware is criminal digital slavery. It is sale and ownership of a part of a person to manipulate and exploit them.

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think your comparison to slavery is a bit overblown and minimizes the tragedy of actual slavery. But I agree with the sentiment.

There are other types of slavery besides American chattel slavery.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago

No, I don't think it does that at all. People need to be able to see the world in more than just binary choices, "it is, or it isn't". I reject the premise that things can't be in between, that it can't be a little bit of slavery, while still understanding that plantations were a whole lot of slavery. Comparing the similar aspects of things and discussing the things they have in common is not the same as equating them and we can have better discussions if we resist the assumptions that drive us to that conclusion.

I think we also need to keep in mind what slavery actually is, the actual concept of slavery not just the most extensively taught and politically important implementation of it which people tend to confuse and conflate with the concept itself. What happened with the trans-atlantic slave trade is just one example of slavery, it's not the definition, and as a result we need to be clear which concept of slavery we're talking about here.

Slavery is fundamentally about depriving people of their right to choose for themselves. The sadistic violence and cruelty of the slave trade and plantations are the emblematic and possibly inevitable results of that, but it's not what actually defines it. A slave would still technically be a slave even if all the choices being made for them were to make them comfortable and protected while they live in luxury. If they are not allowed to choose anything different for themselves and do not have any personal autonomy to make the choices they want to make, they are a slave to someone or to something. Even kings have sometimes been described as slaves to their position and that is actually true in some ways. That is not "minimizing" slavery, that's simply describing what being a slave is. It's not having the right to choose for yourself.

If modern technology and digital rights management controls are depriving people of their rights to choose for themselves in important ways, then it's totally fair to call it digital slavery.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But someone making money off of me without my consent is literally slavery. No one is saying that this form of slavery is equivalent to chattel slavery, so I don’t understand how this minimizes that? Do you also think that wage slavery or forced prison labor are not slavery?

[–] schwim@piefed.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

As soon as you're forced to buy that vacuum, sure, your analogy is rock solid and it's like actual slavery.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

No. This robot vacuum situation is basically the Holocaust, and if you can't see that then you are complicit. /s