I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.
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failing to carry water for the US consensus narrative on all events related to geopolitics does not mean that people automatically support the geopolitical enemies to the fullest extent.
I outlined my position in the other reply, these servers are not really a monolith other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry
I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole "they're open to dissent, just not bigotry" is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying "we allow everyone, just not trolls" and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for "trolling" saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.
It's a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn't really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.
If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I've ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don't do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.
I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:
and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you're doing this:
You didn't even get banned.
Like I've actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it's something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.
My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can't quite make sense of what shows in their "instances" page, but I'm not in "allowed." Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.
Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/art@hexbear.net -- I am subscribed, but it hasn't updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I'm not by any means happy about it. That's why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?
weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what's going on there, it definitely looks like you aren't getting posts.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that's what you were saying?
All 80+ mil people who didn't vote aren't on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn't why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
I thought hexbear used an allowlist rather than a blocklist, but could be wrong about that.
I know they recently voted to switch to allowlist, I have no visibility if they were blocked in the past either way they are on the allow list now and not blocked, not sure what else could be going wrong.
That just changed earlier today.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250402213112/https://hexbear.net/instances
Why it is they decided to silently un-defederate me after our conversation happened, I have no idea at all.
They took this poll 2 months ago and made the decision based on that, I don't think they're making decisions based on us talking now
https://hexbear.net/post/4473019
No, I mean ponder.cat was not on the allowlist earlier today. Check archive.org (I mean, you'll have to trust me that what's there from the 5th is also how it looked earlier today, but it was.)
Can confirm, it does look like it was rss.ponder.cat until recently. Stands to reason you raising the issue of no traffic other than rss earlier caused someone to notice and fix the error in the allow list. I don't have any special insights, but it looks like it's fixed now at least.
I have no idea why you keep referring to it as an error. It happened literally in the middle of a heated argument, my only real participation on Hexbear. You can go back and check the instance lists on archive.org from before and after the argument, or check the comments since I already sent you the exact timestamp of the last comment I received in that thread before things blipped into silence.
It doesn't have to be a big deal, it's just a random trivial issue. I'm just pointing out that you are hell-bent apparently on seeing things in one particular way even though there's no evidence at all for it and strong evidence for the opposite. I'm just putting that out there. I think it would be to your benefit to examine that for a little bit.
archive.org only has back until jan 19, unless I'm missing something. Like I'm a pretty paranoid person, and it seems a bit too conspiratorial. Even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment why would they change it to .rss instead of just removing it?
I'm not trying to make this a big deal, I just don't see the whole conspiracy against you that you were portraying, it looks like at worst a misconfiguration of the allow list that got fixed.
I've been really badly tempted to post this to meanwhileongrad or something as an example of lemmy.ml critical thinking. There's no "even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment" about it. There's no paranoia. It's what happened. I'm not especially bothered, but it is absolutely not deniable.
I sent you the timestamp of the last comment mid-argument that got federated to me. You can check the two comments sections. You can look at archive.org from October 24, with ponder.cat on the allowlist. Then look at archive.org from November, with it switched to rss.ponder.cat. Look at the comments sections on the two instances.
Or, don't, and just persist in whatever interpretation is most preferential to your friends and allies and willfully ignore any evidence to the contrary and call it "paranoia." I think if that is your MO then I will feel comfortable just exiting, and letting you think whatever you think about reality. It's clearly not productive for me to try to tell you anything if you're having this much trouble in absorbing this much. Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I'm not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
Regardless: Like I say I would really recommend that you examine this closely, look over what I sent and ponder on it and rethink it through. There are other areas that you are missing in the same way, without the luck of having crystal-clear objective evidence for them that's easy to check.
thanks for owning up to it, I've tried to dial my own behavior back a lot since landing here too.
I could use some clarification:
can you explain why they would change it to RSS instead of just deleting it? like what's the benefit?
I have no idea. That's what they did though.
So my orientation isn't generally to just assume bad faith from everyone, you can take that to be willful ignorance, but it's also just an understanding that people can do impulsive things or make mistakes without it being a complete indictment of everyone they even associate with.
I'm not involved with maintaining any block/allow lists on any lemmy so I have no idea how it's handled.
As it stand looks like it's working now, with allow list, I navigated to https://hexbear.net/c/diy_streams@rss.ponder.cat and it was initially empty, but eventually populated.
I really don't see the motive, I did see that it switched from ponder.cat to rss.ponder.cat sometime between 10/24/24 and 11/11/24, I don't see why they wouldn't just ban you and defederate if there was some censorship goal.
When I navigate to through another instance to ponder.cat it also shows up as (community)@rss.ponder.cat, which is why it seems odd and unintuitive that it only works with ponder.cat rather than rss.ponder.cat in the linked instances list.
I don't have any extra information, if this behavior that seems unintuitive is common knowledge maybe then it could be construed as retaliation, but to me it looks like a misunderstanding/configuration issue is at least as likely a culprit.
I never said bad faith. I literally just described what happened: I came in, disagreed with them, and then I described the reaction I got.
I do think you could draw a conclusion of a certain type of mentality from that reaction, although looking back I can see a lot of hostility on my side, so I kind of get it. But all we've been talking about now in these 7 different messages I have sent you about it is the simple reality facts of what happened. That has to be the starting point before anyone makes any kind of judgement built on it. I sent you proof, links, all kinds of stuff, and you're still up to right now coming with "looks like a misunderstanding" "if there was some censorship goal" and so on.
I'm not assuming bad faith. I'm describing what happened. I'm not saying it's an indictment of everyone. We're just talking about what happened.
To me, it looks like what you're doing is the converse of what you say: You're bending over backwards like Professor Farnsworth to try to assume good faith, even refusing to accept or examine clear convincing evidence, or say "well both sides" or try to come up with reasons why it must probably be some other way.
I also notice that you're extremely eager to assume bad faith from lemmy.world. You said they said to shut up about Palestine. I can absolutely guarantee that they said no such thing (or at least 99% of them said no such thing, I won't swear for every single user). You keep saying you're "paraphrasing" or that "You guys have already demonstrated what you believe" when someone's trying to explain that they believe no such thing. You will not accept any kind of thing that illustrates good faith. After all, they already demonstrated what they believe.
The reason I'm making a big deal about this is that, for as long as you simply want to cling to your preferred version of events, so that you can "assume good faith" when in other contexts you go hard hard hard in the other direction, I don't see much point in talking to you about any more complex topics.
Some people get endless good faith. You must have misunderstood. Out of context. Well look at what these other people did. I'm not sure I believe that source.
Some other people get absolutely no good faith, in fact you already know the truth about them, they've already revealed what they believe, so your viewpoint's not going to change.
Like I say: Waste of time. Trying to build a more complex discussion in the face of that type of approach is going to take way more than 7 messages, and you probably still will cling to your preferred preexisting interpretation, so oh well.
Edit: Also, what are you talking about with rss.ponder.cat versus ponder.cat? They're just two different instances with totally different communities, I have no idea about links to one being going to the other or anything like that. I don't think that is happening. Can you show me which page you're looking at, and which link someone might click that leads to the wrong one of them or etc? It might be a bug or something but I have never seen that behavior and it shouldn't be that way.
Rss.ponder.cat is for only the bot-fed communities of RSS feeds, segregated off so that it's easier for people to block if they feel like it's spammy and want no part of it. Ponder.cat is for the humans.
https://rss.ponder.cat/post/1454
I'm not really familiar with the difference between rss.ponder.cat and ponder.cat. I was not even aware that they were different communities. I'm not a developer for this.
I'm not disputing that it looks like it could be retaliation, like someone with access just making the change because you were annoying, but I still don't understand why they wouldn't just ban your account like everyone else.
edit:
I'll routinely run into misogynist and ablest insults whenever I voice my opinion in those spaces. The egregious stuff gets cleaned up, but it is still there. I have run into some perfectly nice people who happen to post there, but if you're someone who doesn't 100% tow the line it's fair game for shitty behavior. It's ironic because that's what you've been pointing out as the issue with my/our behavior, but you're not willing to see it the other direction. I'm replying to a local on this very thread whose position is apparently that all who 'support authoritarianism' are roaches, which he goes on to identify as ethnic russians and 'tankies'. I'm an anarchist, I organize with anarchists, but apparently holding wrongthink is enough to be a roach
This kind of behavior lying just below the surface tends to have me put my guard up when I'm in a space.
Update: They've now banned me again. This time with an explicit user ban instead of the behind-the-scenes defederation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/36467434
Христос воскрес!
I'll take a look.
Воистину воскрес
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn't received after the defederation:
You're free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (
2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.
You're doing a lot of excuses for how someone could "feel like" one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you've done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of "dunking." You've done the same thing here.
I see you've learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their "enemies" believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.
Like I say: Waste of time. I'm not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.
Yeah, y'all sound super productive. I can't wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you're in store for. So far, you're killing it.
Guilty
For what it's worth I apologize for that, death threats are uncalled for no matter how much trolling someone is doing.
to quote one of the other users in that thread:
You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish
Didn't you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎
You talk big, yet you wish death to Ukrainians and cheer for russians to capture Ukrainian territory and eradicate Ukrainian culture.
You're not fooling anyone.
EDIT: Since you're fine with ice pick murder fantasies, let me say the following:
I do hope one day you and your fellow tankies get to experience the life of "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.
Just imagine what was going through his mind in those last moments.
re: death threat, For the record, I apologized to the guy and he accepted it.
I most certainly do not. You seem primed to construe anything that's not absolute demonization as support though.
thank you for the "radio free Europe" article I will file that away with the rest of the high quality journalism.
Tankie scum are so predictable. You're so tied to your CIA/BIA narrative that you can't even think straight. The RFE article cites internal russian judicial decisions which can be further cross-referenced by russian propaganda.
Or are you saying the BIA hacked russian propaganda sources and russian judicial rulings in order to "make the RFE article seem more real"?
Don't lie. Tankie scum denies russian atrocities in Ukraine. "Bucha never happened, tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians aren't held in concentration camps in occupied territories, Ukrainian language and culture aren't prosecuted in occupied territories." I've had multiple tankie roaches tell me this on Lemmy.
But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reasons. You don't speak russian, you don't speak Ukrainian. You've never lived in russia, you've never lived in Ukraine.
You couldn't even use common sense to figure out that stating "BIA wrote that fake article" logically does not work (even if you are a tankie), because you can cross validate it in 30 seconds via a russian language search that clearly shows russian propaganda channels saying the same thing as RFE (and you can even find the formal russian judicial ruling on government websites).
Let's hope Russell Bentley's learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
What is BIA in this context?
I was just mocking the source because it's just a window into how you engage with the world. My dismissive response was because you felt the need to wish the same fate upon me simply by your association.
I'm not denying the story at all, The reporting has been circulating for a while. It was a fucked up situation and the way you revel in it is gross, makes all of your accusations feel more like projections.
I do have family there and I've visited dozens of times over the years. I'm not interested in potentially doxxing myself though, I also have nothing to prove to you. You can continue to believe whatever you want about me, you seem content to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable anyways.
this kinda talk just makes you just sound like a nazi who's found a way to hang out in liberal spaces by vocally hating the people they hate
It's not a window into how I engage with the world. It's an article. How you reacted to it is clearly a window into your world (no one is buying your mea culpa).
So you are vatnik in addition to being a tankie? Worst of both worlds. And a foreign vatnik to boot as well! Those are the most entertaining ones.
Here you go again with your standard tankie polemic copytext. I am not American, in Europe "liberal" means something different.
It is fair and just to wish harm on people who are committed to bring death and suffering to your family, to your fellow citizens. I will note throughout this whole conversation you never once made any kind of statement that perhaps the russian are doing bad things. I wonder why this would be the case?
Don't start with your projection BS.
We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.
Unlike you, I am not hiding behind anything and playing dumb. You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.
As a result, I wish that you and other tankie scum like you end up like the Donbas cowboy.
What exactly am I projecting here? Be clear and specific, don't play dumb.
As I said, earlier let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
the same user admitted to being a jerk in the exchange as well, and not proud of their behavior in the runup to that very response. As far as I'm concerned that has been reconciled, even if we disagree.
I'm an anarchist, you are the one who declare me a tankie because at the end it's just a pejorative, like calling me a slur. You then go on contriving positions for me to hold on your mind.
re: calling me vatnik, I find jingoism from any direction off-putting, but go off.
as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep
Tankie is a descriptive term. A supporter of authoritarian faux-communist regimes (i.e. russia and China). Try telling an average person on the street about "tankie discrimination" and you'll see what I mean.
This makes no sense at all.
I am a Nazi (i.e. I want my own extermination) and to promote my alleged agenda I decided to join LW which in the bigger scope of things means nothing at all (don't forget Lemmy as a whole has a mere ~50K MAU).
Do you even read what you write?
When you call me 'tankie scum' or 'tankie roach' it's a pejorative.
I said:
My meaning is you use language around enemies like nazis do, referring to your (perceived) enemies as subhuman, something to be exterminated. My observation is that it's acceptable in portions of the fediverse to use that sort of language as long as it is directed at an appropriate geopolitical foe (ie russia/russians).
If you're someone who would be targeted by Nazis then maybe you should think with greater depth about recycling their rhetoric.
And why is it wrong to call individuals who oppose self-determination for nations, support authoritarianism and deny genocide, scum and roaches?
Bold words coming from someone who publicly fantasized about killing another poster with an ice-pick (note the pro-Stalinist connection).
An overwhelming majority of russians support imperialism and a strong majority are genocidal imperialists. Just because you claim "this is BIA propaganda", doesn't make it true. And most references by tankies are easy to prove false (as I just did with your "I’m not denying the story at all").
You talk about "greater depth", what does even this mean? You can't even get your basic story right. You claim to have relatives in Ukraine, yet this whole time your sole message has been about white-washing and supporting russian genocidal imperialism (say it ain't so). That's why you are tankie scum! Is this not a reasonable take?
I oppose patriotism and jingoism, which is why you don't like what I have to say. "support self-determination" is something that applies for kosovo but not donbass, it's just 'rules based order' in a trenchcoat.
It's wrong because you're using dehumanizing rhetoric for people you don't know and applying it (in this reply) broadly to entire ethnic groups. It's why I said you sound like a Nazi.
This is what I visualize reading this and knowing you actually just think we're all roaches to be exterminated
You never explain what BIA is, I have no idea what this is referring to in this context
It's actually more of an anti-trotskyist invective
I mean think, using your head, rather than whatever you're using to do your thinking right now.
You can fuck right off with whitewashing the russian occupation of Donbas. You've never lived there and you have no clue what the situation is like. You've also never been to Kosovo or any of the Balkan nations.
Don't act all high and mighty with big words about me being a Nazi and dehumanization, you chimped out and publicly went on a rant about a fantasy to kill someone with an icepick over some internet BS. And you had the gall to go with "the same user admitted to being a jerk in the exchange as well".
Get fucked you tankie "leftist larper" scum!
I am done here.
here's you sounding like a 4-chan Nazi again, you really can't help it when you know you're talking to an untermench like me I guess
Sure thing, Miss "I fantasize to kill you with a pickaxe just like the assassination of Trotsky as ordered by Stalin."
You're not fooling anyone you tankie scum.
Get fucked you lying tankie roach!
plenty of anarchists don't like Trotsky, he famously was the one who killed many anarchists, before he found himself on the receiving end.
you just can't stop sounding like a Nazi though
it was a throwaway dunk 6 months ago because he was complaining about 'not getting a meeting of the minds' when he was rolling up doing this:
If our exchange is anything to go by you probably gleefully fantasize about all your undesirables getting cleansed.
So is this where you hang out now that 4chan is gone?