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I do not know better than the united nations or several peer reviewed journals. The journal also has references to dozens of historians. It is possible some small group on the internet know more than they do, and are interpreting it better than people who do it as a job, I just find that unlikely. The UN believes it is a persecution if not a genocide. I am a layman on this topic and will defer to experts, because I know there is a lot of astroturfing and I have previously seen arguments that seemed flawless but were missing key details that an expert showed why they were flawed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/muslim-minority-in-chinas-xinjiang-face-political-indoctrination-human-rights-watch-idUSKCN1LQ01F/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2020.1848109
I’ll spare people a wall of text and just drop a couple of links for those interested: [1] [2]
The sources used in your link are sourcing Chinese tabloid Global times. I am fully convinced it's astroturfing at this point.
Yours is essentially an appeal to authority, davel obviously went through the trouble of researching the entire history behind the conflict.
Your rebuttal? "Wow you must be a paid troll actor"
And that's how I became a tankie 😄
Thanks for the live demo
Brother this took me 15 seconds to find, this is very low effort astroturfing https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf
e: also all the interviews with matching details https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666287509/ex-detainee-describes-torture-in-chinas-xinjiang-re-education-camp But again the entire UN agrees this is happening, and the only one who says it's not is the country that benefits from saying it's not.
Ok? I had already seen that report. My point was that these tankies don't just linkdrop some ad hoc google results but repeatedly provide deep insight with a lot of context. If the original commenter didn't even put in the effort of googling the primary source but davel has this sourced historical write up it is clear to me who has put in more time into researching this topic. If this keeps happening repeatedly and consistently one starts to question the default narrative and starts to look into it oneself. And from there it starts to unravel.
No, there is only a handful of countries that believe there is a genocide. I don't even know how many still use the word "genocide" and how many just silently dropped it.
Wow, one of the twenty-odd links isn’t from a Western source? Must be a foreign secret agent!
Deeply unserious.
No they are sourcing a Chinese tabloid which is governed by China to prove that China did not do something, while every other country's reporting, including Chinese historians interviewed, says it is happening. This is the only link I checked to see if it was worth looking over the rest. I am using the most likely conclusion that either they did not care to see the source was from a Chinese tabloid because it confirmed what they already believed, or they are a foreign agent, which have been confirmed to exist on every social media platform. You should be wary I am one too. Either way it's not worth anyone's time.