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It’s crazy that microsoft, a company that once had 90+ market share of the OS market and is now down in the low 70% range and falling, would rather force this shit and potentially lose people to ipads than simply just make an upgrade path for older hardware (that isn’t even that old)
What could possibly motivate this? They have to see the folly in such a decision with all their market research and shit. Do they really have the hubris to think that people will just go out and buy new hardware en masse because they said to so they could check emails, go on social media, and do streaming shit? Tinfoil hat time: were they influenced by a three letter agency or something to include the need for secure boot and tpm? Is there an exploit or backdoor in these?
I have to imagine it's because most of their money comes from business customers who rely on windows and would have to spend tons of money to switch to something else or OEMs who are making new computers anyways who this won't affect. There's a reason windows upgrades have been free for a while, I don't think they really care about getting money from people anymore, they're just after money from businesses and OEMs.
Dave Plummer recently put out a video on why he thinks windows upgrades are free now. I found it interesting.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KNhHThIU84
Unfortunately Dave is an asshole who got sued for shipping scareware (I think). Fuck this guy.
But what’s the net benefit if they overall lose a ton of market share? Sales of, absolute best scenario, 10 million dollars? That’s a lot of money but it’s also really unlikely they’d get that level of sales and is it worth having a shareholders meeting in 1 year where they have to address questions about market share continuing to slide noticeably? Apparently I guess
It seems like it would mainly be a good deal for oem pc manufacturers. If I was lenovo or whoever I’d be jazzed about it, let microsoft take all the negativity and sell more thinkpads
Yeah I agree I don't think it's a good long term strategy, losing the dominant position is gonna make it easier for businesses to seriously consider switching to Mac, Chrome OS, or Linux. And when more people start to switch the OEMs will follow. It's the classic short term profit over long term success approach that companies will always fall into. For now it provides a nice bump in sales through mainly OEMs selling new computers to people and down the line through the businesses who don't want to make the switch or can't make the switch so are forced to buy new windows computers. But yeah it's probably gonna continue to sink their market share if average people can't use the new OS and are smart enough to switch to something else. Although I've seen people still using Windows XP while connected to the internet so who knows if it'll even be a big impact or not. It will really just depend on if enough people switch that more programs get ported to other OSes and then businesses can actually make the switch more easily. And if that ball gets rolling Microsoft's market share will keep tumbling down, but again it's hard to say if that's gonna start or if Microsoft is gonna have to do a lot more bad things first to get there.
That is a great question. But, I do not think so, the computer without tpm are just not encrypted at all. I think it is about collecting user data and advertising.
This makes sense, the tinfoil hat shit is one thing but it’s much easier to just explain it as tpm and secure boot will enable more data collection, which is probably a stronger revenue stream than keeping windows on 75% of pcs vs 72%
Of course some nerd will probably figure out ways to defeat it all eventually but microsoft is probably (correctly) banking on your grandma not knowing how to install extensions and whatever 3rd party shit that will require
The sad thing is at one point I would have said that’s a foolish way thing to bank on and eventually those computer illiterate folk will die out but it appears that that younger gen z and below have many people that are slightly more advanced than boomers in tech knowledge. They know how to use their phones but have no clue how to do anything interesting with them and have barely any idea how to use a pc.
I worked in a school for a bit a few years ago and the amount of kids that didn’t know about something as basic as Adblock was shocking, let alone how to navigate the file system. Modern phones as a primary computing device really fucked that generation
What's the long term play? We can teach our parents as best as we can and we can teach our kids the same, but from what i can tell they don't really even care. What happens in 50 years, will the biggest tech companies just have unprecedented control of what people see and can do because no one who doesn't get a career in it, just won't care how things work?
The long term play is regulation but good luck with that
Why do you think the tech oligarchs are banding together to dismantle the government? They see the future you describe and recognize that we are at a key juncture to get there. Once the groundwork is laid they can go back to focusing on fighting each other for total dominance of the market