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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Tech muggle here.

Could we just get rid of PDFs and switch to word docs and spread sheets instead? I know this will likely cause a slurry of consequences, especially in professional circles, but have you considered: fuck it.?

K thx bye.

[–] mghackerlady@leminal.space 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No please, microsoft already has a monopoly I'd much rather the standard be open

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Open Office? Libre Office?

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's sort of like saying "I'm overheating because my apartment is 32ᵒC, let's turn on the heating and see how we feel once it's 45ᵒC"

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Critical temperature = user friendly. TIL.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What if I don’t want to spend several hundred dollars per year to use a proprietary program that doesn’t run on my computer just to look at some documents?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Are fine, but not 100% compatible with all Office files and very heavyweight for viewing a document.

The problem is that Office file formats are an “open” standard but not a real open standard. PDF is.

Edit: Hell, not even all Office files are openable in all modern versions of Office. I have an Excel file I have to use once a quarter that will only open in locally installed versions of Office, not Office365. I keep a VM with Windows on it just for this one file.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

PDF is still shit, despite being open. Even a "minimal" viewer like mupdf has to carry a 100MB library with it. Interpreting them is arcane knowledge.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh I agree, I’m not saying that PDF is some sort of document format perfection. But it is a fully open one with a spec that fits in 250 pages, as opposed to docx’s 7500(!!) page spec with undocumented binary blobs mixed in.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile, Commonmark... whoa, still 126 pages printed as pdf, with all edge cases. Though they do want to be well-specified.

[–] GreenDust@lemmings.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those have different purposes. Word/Excel documents are meant to be editable so that anybody who opens the file is able to add to it, etc. A PDF is effectively the opposite. A PDF is generally meant to be an immutable document that looks the same in any program that you use to open the file.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, fucking with a PDF isn't exactly arcane knowledge, even after it's been signed. It's just cumbersome and tedious and requires counterintuitive actions like pressing Ctrl+P instead of Ctrl+S.

If their purpose is to be secure, they're shit at their job.

[–] GreenDust@lemmings.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The purpose of a PDF is not security, obfuscation, etc. If you NEED to manipulate a PDF, then sure, it is technically possible to do so. But it takes knowledge and effort to do so. As you say, it's cumbersome, tedious, and counterintuitive. The primary purpose of a PDF is to be a read-only document that looks the same regardless of the screen resolution, the fonts that are installed, etc. On the other hand, Word/Excel documents are designed to be as simple as possible for anybody to edit as needed at any point, with the downside of being affected by things like screen size, fonts installed, etc.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A screenshot does that. DOS had no screenshots, but now we have them.

[–] alternategait@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Excel sheets are rarely accessible to screen readers. Word documents are pretty good, but tedious if you're just trying to like read something. PDF has the best accessibility support around (except HTML, but thats a whole other can of worms).

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Sounds like screen readers need some improvement.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Can we just create a standard that is content-centric and not representation-centric?

Lighweight Markups are a good start. Pack it in a zip to carry media and good.

Yes, i hate multi-column text. It messes with my focus, makes the text harder to read. While others love them. Let me read it on my terms.