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And it still is. Being expected to use slightly different software when you're using a 10+ year old hardware setup is not weird. Furthermore, this is an issue with the nvidia driver support, which is proprietary, the open source drivers have no such problems. And again, this will be nearly completely solved once steam/proton stop needing xwayland.
Yes, it isn't weird. The problem is you want people to leave Xorg meanwhile NVK hasn't finished yet
...the vast majority of beginners do not have 10+ year old hardware.
I want everyone except those who use 10+ year old hardware to move, and in fact, that's exactly what i've recommended in the past.
here I am making that exact recommendation:
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/53716147/18224187
We shouldn't be recommending things for a tiny niche, we should be recommending what's best on average, and as we learn about the specific needs of a user, then recommend things specifically for that user.
In western countries
...you mean western countries where nvidia gpu's are the most common?
If we're including beginners in developing countries this is even less common of an issue, when I was in india, not a single person I helped with tech had a graphics card, why would they have a 470xx series driver gpu and not an integrated system? It's not even the cheapest choice. I recently built a PC in india, coincidentally, and we ended up going with an integrated system for a gaming PC.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
i mean, look at these stats, it's such a minority it's hardly worth mention. You'll probably say "these are just the steam stats, most of them aren't on steam anyway!" But if they're not using steam/proton... they almost definitely aren't using xwayland anyway so the issues don't apply to them in the first place.
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5204/~/list-of-kepler-series-geforce-desktop-gpus
compare that to the list on the hardware survey and you'll see how unbelievably rare this problem actually is. They don't even make the list, it's less than a 1% issue.
For you
I demonstrated that was statistically false
For you again
...no, it's a statistical fact, look at my sources.
Fact for you
My source is a survey with thousands of respondants, your source is dude just trust me. It's a fact, you can cover your ears and go lalala but it changes nothing
Fact for you again
No, it's a fact for everyone.
read: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Why did you edit your comment?
because I realized I could improve it and you hadn't replied yet, I just added the link to kepler gpus
Ohh really? I don't trust people like you
Why?