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"Adopt, don't shop" can lead to more animal abuse. It doesn't teach anyone about what a responsible breeder is if they are determined to buy, nor does it educate people on how to find a responsible shelter. Responsible breeders ensure none of the dogs go to a shelter. The message is disrespectful to responsible breeders and owners, and does nothing but alienate people who have had a dog or work to improve their health.
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Please say Adopt and shop responsibly instead.
I can teach you what a responsible breeder looks like:
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All breeders are bastards
This is stupid, breeders are also stupid. Dogs are living things, not objects.
Breeders will always exist, and so will their customers, as they always have. If it's only financially viable for breeders to be held accountable for their actions, that's another way of keeping dogs out of shelters. I'd rather live in a world where breeders always adopt their dogs back, always ensure they find a home instead of overwhelming shelters, charities and communities work together to make owning dogs more affordable so they don't get relinquished during financial stress, AND shelters exist. In a world where shelters are the only hope for dogs, dogs are left behind.
You do know that having any dog that isn't spayed/neutered that makes pups makes you a breeder, right?
The only difference between a breeder and someone letting their dogs make babies is that the breeder has some idea of what the puppies will look like.
And, since breeders can be divided into two or three "camps", with two of those keeping records of past breeding, the pups resulting from those efforts are going to have known issues, rather than random ones.
Like it or not, dogs are shaped by humans. The only question is how much control is applied to the process. in theory, breeding would be a well regulated process focused on the health of the dogs as the primary goal. If we could ensure that, it would be superior to adopting mixed breeds in that regard.
I get the idea you're working from, and I support it. But trying to pretend that random dogs reproducing is better than controlled breeding is absurd.
And when unregulated breeders are the type of people that prefer animal abuse to constumers that prefer animal abuse.
Yes, my opinion is not usually shared by most other people. I do not think dogs, or any other animal is an object to be used by humans. So, make of that what you will. I don't really care what you think.
I mean, you care enough to respond, obviously. But not enough to do anything else.
That kinda points to you just thinking that your take on things is superior, and nobody else is worth talking to. Which is fine as far as that goes, there's shit I feel the same way about. But, I don't come back with "I don't care what you think" when I don't care what someone thinks.
A bit contradictory. Which, again, is fine as far as that goes. Nobody is required go be consistent or honest with themselves, or even with others.
Just, you know, it doesn't convince anyone you don't care what they think, if you respond at all, much less with the whole "my opinion is so rare and special" type of opening.
@Kyle Say that in your own post.
You do know you're responding to a lemmy post, right?
On lemmy, things are threaded, there's comments in response to posts, and those comments can layered underneath the parent comment.
So, someone responding to your comment not only doesn't need to make their own post, they shouldn't, because the discussion is ongoing already. Starting a new post would just start another thread, which defeats the entire purpose of threaded forums
Nobody posted any slogans until you did. It's perfectly reasonable to reply with civilized discourse.
Unilaterally proposing a single solution to a complex societal issue while insulting dog owners is problematic and does more harm than good. "Adopt and shop responsibly" doesn't offend anyone who bought a dog and might make someone ask, "What does it mean to shop responsibly?" instead of buying a dog on Craigslist. Dogs deserve more respect from people, which requires treating all people with more respect.