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Israel is literally waging a war to expand borders, so yeah, maybe they want to be left alone in the sense that they won't accept any state other than Israel existing in the end.
It’s … wild because this is part of the roots of the Jewish people being chased from their lands.
In a world where folks accepted other peoples gods but revered their own … the monotheistic Abrahamic religions fucked all that up.
A bunch of Europeans calling themselves Israelites has about as much weight as a bunch of Europeans calling themselves Aryans.
Have you ever heard of this social experiment that was done a long time ago.?
A teacher in 1968, following days after MLK was murdered, decided to teach kids about racism. It ended up becoming a famous experiment about how people who are discriminated against will often do the same back to others. And that we are all equally capable of being taught to discriminate even when we ourselves have faced discrimination and know what it's like.
Here is the premise. (All kids were white, I believe)
The teacher told the students that blue eye color students were smarter than brown eye color students because the pigment in brown eyes was related to lower intelligence.
Here is the rest copied from Wikipedia
"Initially, there was resistance among the students in the minority group to the idea that blue-eyed children were better than brown-eyed children. To counter this, Elliott led the children to believe the false premise that melanin was linked to their higher intelligence and learning ability. Shortly thereafter, the initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed "superior" became arrogant, bossy, and otherwise unpleasant to their "inferior" classmates. Their grades on simple tests improved, and they completed mathematical and reading tasks that had seemed outside their ability before. The "inferior" classmates also transformed – into timid and subservient children who scored more poorly on tests, and even during recess isolated themselves, including those who had previously been dominant in the class. These children's academic performance suffered, even with tasks that had been simple before.[10]
The next Monday, Elliott reversed the exercise, making the brown-eyed children superior. While the brown-eyed children did taunt the blue-eyed children in ways similar to what had occurred the previous day, Elliott reports it was much less intense. To reflect on the experience, she asked the children to write down what they had learned.[6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott
Here is an in-depth article by PBS on it. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/introduction-2/
Here is a documentary about it , also made by PBS. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcCLm_LwpE
It's a fascinating experiment into human behavior and self reflection. And how superiority complex changes performance and personality.
I was surprised to learn Jane Elliott is still alive. MLK's assassination really wasn't as long ago as they want you to believe.
Black slavery really wasn't that long ago either.
1863
163 years.
That's roughly only 2 lifetimes ago.
Two.
But yeah segregation was 50 years. People are alive today that weren't allowed to use the same toilets as whites or share drinking fountains. Restaurants wouldn't serve them.
Sundown towns. Lynchings.
The latter is still occurring.
The problem with believing in gods is that you think you are right. That makes other people wrong. And so it begins...
That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.
You can respect someone and still think they're wrong. Just like I respect you right now.
But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren't right.
That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it.
I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions)
https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat
Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them?
https://www.stoicmentality.com/logos-in-stoicism
So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn't seem right.
By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you.
Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results.
The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't".
You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell.
I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe.
If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others.
But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end.
Why would you believe anything if you were going to believe you were wrong?
And that's why you shouldn't.
believing you are right is requisite to belief. acknowledgement that you might be wrong, in the existence of doubt, that's maturity but it does not preclude the belief that you are right.
They need Lebensraum.
Why do they all sound like they're from brooklyn?
Or, they want to be left alone to do whatever they want for the glory of the motherland.