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Not accepting calls for death of millions is very reasonable.
Zionist simply means the right of the Jewish people to self determination to have a state, where they are the majority and safe from persecution.
The majority of Jews worldwide and millions of others support the continued existence of Israel.
If you support a two state solution, you are a Zionist.
Calling for the death of Zionists is a call for the death of the vast majority of Jews and millions of others people worldwide. This wouldn’t even be a discussion, if it targeted any other group.
The Fediverse has too many bloodthirsty extremists.
You get that this kind of rhetoric is not really helpful right?
"The majority of Germans supported the nazi state" makes people cheer for bomber harris, it is not gonna make them reconsider their opinion of the nazis.
We are in the 3rd year of accelerated, active, livestreamed genocide. At this point most people who are semi-conciously watching the news are against Pissrael. It's so bad even germans are starting to see whats happening.
Everybody knows Pissrael wants to be an apartheid ethnostate, that's why we oppose them. Not because we are against Jews, but because we are against apartheid and ethnostates.
"Voting AfD simply means supporting the right of the German people to self determination to have a state, where they are the majority and safe from persecution."
You are making our point for us.
You do not accept Theodor Herzl's own rhetoric then surely:
Talking about killing his "fellow" Jews because they oppose his colonial plans.
The numbers of deaths per month in Gaza has consistently decreased since the first two months of the war.
Look, that war in Gaza is pretty bad and should end. Settlements in the West Bank should also end. Hamas should accept the ceasefire, disarm, and let a Palestinian civilian government rebuild. Hezbollah should also keep the ceasefire, retreat across the Litany and let the Lebanese government take over. The continued fighting by Hamas and Hezbollah after they were severely beaten has drawn out this war much longer, than it needed to be.
Israel should have ended the war much sooner.
Bombing civilians and destroying cities wasn’t militarily effective. It was mostly terror. Sure you can argue they deserved it in some way. To put this in perspective Operation Gomorrah killed more than 20,000 people in Hamburg in one attack. We haven’t seen anything like that in Gaza.
Do you think AfD voters should all be killed?
Calling for death to all those who support Israel‘s existence is a call for more violence and war.
You fail to differentiate between those who support Israel‘s current policies and those who support the existence of Israel. Lots of Israelis are opposed to Netanyahu. Before October 7th there were huge protests inside Israel against him. Even afterwards the most consistent protests against the war were inside of Israel.
If you want to kill all Israelis who are against the war, Netanyahu, and settlements, you make peace impossible.
Oh come on, it's been 70 years, do you really think Palestinians never tried this? Do you not understand that there were events before the Al-Aqsa Flood that directly precipitated it?
Sure there’s a long and complex history. Hamas has fought the peace process all through the 1990s by suicide bombing Israeli civilians. Hamas also refused to join the PLO and caused a deep rift in Palestinian political unity, that lasts until today.
The PA in the West Bank certainly isn’t perfect, but their strategy didn’t result in tens of thousands of deaths. The Oslo process towards peace was never completed, but it still improved the lives of Palestinians far more than anything Hamas has done.
What good have the actions of Hamas done for Palestinians?
The goal of Israel has never been peace but subjugation
Hamas kicked off this war on October 7th. Hezbollah started shooting rockets at Israel on October 8th.
Israel had left Gaza in 2005 and Southern Lebanon in 2000. It was a war of choice for both of them.
When you lose a war, it’s a good idea to seek peace to protect what you still have, civilian lives, infrastructure, etc.
Continuing to fight a war you can’t win and where your civilians suffer the most, is terrible leadership.
The majority of Lebanese want Hezbollah disarmed because they repeatedly started wars with Israel, leading to death and destruction inside Lebanon. Hezbollah has murdered leftists and other Lebanese politicians for decades. They are the biggest destabilizing force inside Lebanon.
Hamas and Hezbollah are bloodthirsty fanatics, that will sacrifice a thousand of their own people to kill a Jew.
Israel is currently exterminating Palestinians, destroying most of the agricultural field, destroying hospitals, schools , site of worship, cultural sites, killing journalists. They call the west bank as judea meaning they want all palestinians out of the land to make it part of Israel
Israel kicked out this conflict by colonizing palestinians and ethnically cleansing them
Being a Zionist and actually responsible for the deaths of thousands and eventual genocide of millions is very unreasonable.
The Fediverse has too many moderate Nazis.
You are the one demanding a genocide of millions.
Are people calling for the death of millions of Iranians, Chinese, Sudan, Islamists, Azeris, Russians?
We have to kill the Jews so they don’t cause another world war is a literally Hitler argument.
The typical Zionist shit take, 'any criticism of Israel and supporters of it's genocide is actually antisemtism directed at all Jewish people . . . ignore the millions of Jews who hate Israel"
Calling for mass death is not mere criticism.
Calling for the dissolution of a genocidal settler-colony as a political entity does not mean you want everyone dead. Israel is a genocidal settler-colony and has no right to exist as a state, its continued existence requires ongoing oppression of Palestinians, spilling out into Lebanon, Syria, and open war with other countries as well.
That’s the topic of this thread though. Calls for death.
Zionists are fascists committing genocide right this second. I wouldn't cry when someone said "death to Nazis" either.
Thst is what you support
I do the opposite.
You justifid and lied about the severity of the nekba and the current genocide. You support the extermination of Palestine
You are supporting the side currently in the process of exterminating palestinians
I support the existence of Israel. I don‘t support the continuation of the war in Gaza, nor any of the shit going on in the West Bank.
You are lying since you blame everything on khamas, knowing very well that khamas will not surrender and israel will continue stealing more palestinian land and lied abiut the nekba
@Samskara @mrdown
Supporting the existence of Israel and not the war in Gaza at the same time is like supporting peace but refusing to stop weapons production. You have to choose.
This kind of all or nothing thinking makes you unable to build political alliances.
That’s a very reasonable way of thinking though. So vis pacem para bellum.
Weapons are needed to be able to defend yourself against aggression.
Do you think the allies should have stopped all weapons production after WW2? Or do you think the war would not have happened if Hamas didn’t have weapons?
It's only fair that they get a turn doing a genocide. After they're satisfied, the Romani can have a go at it. The Slavs have already started, odd choice genociding other Slavs but everyone should have a bit of self determination.
Later down the road it will be interesting figuring out the turn order for the gays, disabled and Jehovah's witnesses, not that I think any one of them will be particularly effective.
Then, finally us, anarchists. Not sure how much I'll like it, but I'm looking forward to the opportunity to engage in a project with my peers.
Ah, so this is why I have you tagged as "Samskara? More like Hasbara"
Hasbara is the Hebrew word for explanation.
Ad hominem is of course easier than actually engaging with information and facts.
Fact is that you support a settler colonial power
Fact is you love slogans and buzzwords more than learning and nuance.
The real nuance is that hamas is both a resistance group and a group doing terrorism. Not your justification for murdering palestinians .
You are denying genocide
How many Palestinians did the Israelis kill and displace from the time that the UK allowed them free rein to push into the territory after WWI? How many homes have they seized or destroyed?
Between 1918 and 1947, Jewish immigrants bought land legally. There was no forced displacement.
The UK severely restricted Jewish immigration into the mandate after the Arab revolt from 1939. Tens of thousands of Jewish refugees from the Holocaust were blocked from entering. They were deported and interned in camps on Cyprus.
Around 700,000 Palestinians fled in 1947/48, only a minority of those were displaced by force. Many fled before the war really started.
Around 200,000 fled in 1967.
In 1947/48, tens of thousands of Jews were expelled from the West Bank and Jerusalem. Among them were the oldest continued Jewish inhabitants of the land.
After 1948 Muslim and Arab states expelled 800,000 Jews, many of which fled to Israel.
The number of overall deaths including Arabs and Jews was in the low tenthousands from 1918 to 2022.
More than tenthousand Palestinians were killed by Jordan during Black September. At least 5000 died during the civil war in Syria.
October 7th was by far the deadliest day of the whole conflict. Never before or after have that many people died in one day.
More numbers over the whole timeline can be found here. They don’t differentiate between Palestinians and other Arabs, combatants and civilians.
They just did that. No reason.
Most fled because war was imminent. Some were forcibly displaced, as I said before.
Arab leaders inside Palestine and outside had called for Palestinians to evacuate and return after the war was won and the Jews were thrown into the sea.
The situation and history in Haifa gives you an idea of the complexities and chaos of the situation.
People fleeing from war happens in all wars. It’s usually the more well off that leave first.
Where do the 20% of non Jewish citizens of Israel come from? They are those who stayed and their descendants.
It'd be a lot easier to refer to the Nakba, unless you're deliberately avoiding that reference.
Why would they be factual when the point is to obscure what's happening
Stop spreading misinfo about the Nakba. Groups like Betar committed plenty of acts of violence and anti-Arab terrorism which forced many Palestinians to flee. Like Zionists like you can just as shitty views and rhetoric as a lot of antizionists.
Israel destroyed 500 villages , palestinians was forced to leave due to the huge level of destruction and was never allowed to come back
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/25/study-1948-israeli-massacre-tantura-palestinian-village-mass-graves-car-park
You are mixing up the order. In many cases Palestinians fled first and the villages were destroyed to prevent their return. There were also forced expulsions and atrocities, yes.
The Arabs did the same to the Jews living in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza.
In most case palestinian was forced to leave because without them leaving you could not create a jewish state since jews only have 9% of the land and it was disperced. The villages was not empty they was full of people as proven from zionist testimony about tentura.
The expulsion of jews from arab countries in response to israel expulsion of Palestinian was wrong and while the majoritarly was expulsed, other was forced to leave by zionist false flags and deal with between zionists and certain arab leaders like Operation Yachin.
Under international law, the forcible transfer of populations and the** destruction of property of a population** that has been forced out constitute crimes against humanity and are key elements of ethnic cleansing
Even if you believe the lie that most left willingfully . The destruction of property and preventing Palestinians to return is ethnic cleansing
Equating antizionism and antisemitism can get anyone banned from feddit if you go far enough regardless if you are zionist or antizionist.
Antizionism and antisemitism are not the same, but often one is just cover for the other, or in effect indistinguishable.
Look who's talking. One of the most famous zionists defending a settler colonial genocidal power
Like you
I have never called for the death of anyone on Lemmy.
You are always justifying isrseli actions . Israel is a settler colonial power, it is genocidial by default