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This was a question or rather a series of questions I heard over the weekend as I was discussing Marxism, class, labour etc. with a friend and I frankly couldn't really answer their questions. So here I am again asking it because this community provides incredible answers <3

The discussion was about work and their question was: "If class is abolished in communism and the people are taken care of, why would anyone work at all? Who is going to work in coffee shops, pick up trash, work in stores etc.? What would be the incentive for people to do anything productive?" I did my best saying that those jobs would still exist, but I kind of fumbled the argument.

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[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

While I cannot exactly answer everything about communist society, I will say that this question from your friend (seemingly not Marxist, I might add) is a bit strange: Do they think people just do not do things unless they have a wage or profit incentive?

I would imagine (again, I have not studied this part of communism) that under communism, there would be people who would want to do some of the things you mentioned because there would actually be a sense of community under communism (no class divisions means that there will be no exploiter-exploited relationship to divide people), and people would not need an "incentive" (if we mean incentive in the context of money being given so that people can do things) to provide services or do anything productive (hell, the wage incentive existing does not prevent people from helping others out despite it not being related to their wages).

In fact, profit gets in the way of incentives for doing productive things because it is only productive insofar as it relates to profit. If there is no profit, nothing productive in a given field is likely to be done. Eliminating classes would eliminate the fetters of capitalism on people in doing the things that they want to do, but they would also be able to better help out their community.

I think of it like this: Under capitalism, class divisions created in society not only cause them to experience capitalism differently, but feel the effect of things (like trash buildup) differently due to their different economic statuses causing some to experience the same situation differently or different experiences to exist entirely. The out-of-touch capitalists know little and care little about trash buildup in an impoverished neighborhood if they do not have to go there and if it does not serve as an anti-profit obstacle, so they would have no reason to pay others to clean it up (even if they pay others to clean up trash, others are cleaning up the trash, not them, so they will not understand the severity of the problem). On the other hand, if no class distinctions existed, people would have different roles but would experience similar environments (if they live in the same approximate area), and if something negatively affected a community, then there would be no "shield" from it in the form of capitalist privileges and no distancing from the problem because a negative thing affecting a community would affect all members of a classless society in a roughly equal manner (of course, I only mean roughly, because other factors would certainly affect the relative desire of any given person to provide a service to the community, but it will be less of a factor than it would under capitalism).

Sorry for the answer not explaining all aspects of the question, but your friend does not seem to understand that people do not stop doing things because of no classes existing.

Edit: I wrote this using my last remaining brain fumes before going to sleep, so some stuff might be inaccurate but I just really wanted to answer the question because it involves annoying arguments some libservatives make (yes I combined those two), yet are hardly difficult to counter if you understand basic human empathy.

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

communism is when you just lie there atrophying

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And it is mega evil because workers are no longer oppressed by their ruling lords... and wokeism (conservatives are physically incapable of defining this) will destroy the master race (joking, obviously).

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i got diagnosed with wokeism and all i got was this stupid t shirt and the destruction of the master race kim-gun

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That kim gun emoji is amazing

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have trouble understanding the joke, but Kim Jong-Un is a cool emote. Do you like using these human cutout emotes?

Seriously, conservatives have a physical incapability towards defining woke: POC, women, trans people, queer, communism, etc.. It is just a buzzword for anything remotely progressive, let alone anything communist (and they never tell you the origin of the word during the Civil Rights Movement...).

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

oh nothing i’m just referencing the slogan t shirt I went to Blank and all i got was this shirt. and i jusr picked that emoji because i was so immediately enraptured i chose it regardless if it fit with the joke

  1. Yup i agree w ur points on how the term woke has been defanged if not made so vague and all encompassing it may as well be gibberish. its history is interesting but even then by the time it was coopted as a (MAINSTREAM!!!!) serious (in their own opinion) moniker by, say, 2010s usa celebs, it was Silly and meant nothing, and by now, it’s just something fent addicts like alex jones shout to freak out random seniors
[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Haha I understand the feeling of just wanting to use an emote because it look cool (I think that is my autism brain). It is just funny to see them using woke in such an obviously racist and unscientific way that it becomes an instant sign that they have no idea what they are talk about.

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i think ive had 2 interactions w u so far and both times i have sensed an autism to autism communication

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

hehe autism gives you telepathy (but only with other autistic people; you cannot use it with neurotypical people, and in fact, you have a harder time understanding them). If you are communist, the telepathy effect is heightened to a significant degree. Oh, you can also use telepathy with neoliberal autistic people, but you might not want to because talking to neoliberals causes a debuff to your communication stat.

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i just had the most draining autism-enhanced experience for both political and normal social reasons so yeah checks out

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do you mind telling us about this experience?

[–] dazaroo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

fr like I'd totally be down to just make people coffee

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

another example of evil communist norf korean brainwashing🤬

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

You must have been paid by the communist state (joking) to do that or you were bribed by the Stasi.

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do they think people just do not do things unless they wage or profit incentive?

Yes, in their opinion no one (or not very many people) would be incentivized to pick up garbage, deliver food or do thankless work without monetary compensation.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

...what ideology does your friend uphold? Also, I am just baffled at the position of this person on incentives. People are not fed or controlled by money in the sense that instincts direct animals.

Charity organizations pop up all throughout capitalist society without much in the way of wage or profit incentive in spite of capitalism's drive for profit.

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I would probably say petit bourgeousie and neoliberal ideas, which is pretty funny since she is a proletariat.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

sigh

Typical indoctrinated neoliberal that has trouble understanding capitalism, and as a result, misunderstands the idea that society can exist beyond capitalism.

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also it might come of that I am pulling these types of people out of thin air (had a post about a biologist and human nature), but I swear these are people that I talk to on a regular basis.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would honestly be exhausted if I were to talk with these libservatives about politics because they would be so filled with idealism and propaganda and racism (if we are talking about China or the DPRK). How do you do so without wanting to just ignore them?

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are usually friends or family so I have a bit more patience with them, I also take it as a way to practice cool calm and collected debate as oppose to just straight up arguments. It is difficult though when they just don't want to listen or have an open mind.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Glad you both have the patience and the willingness to debate with such people, because I know that I would rather not even bother arguing with my parents (mother knows nothing and father only knows liberservantive propaganda, so it would just grind my brain into dust). Also, I am not sure if I would bother being friends with liberals because I would be annoyed by their racist understanding of China and especially the DPRK.

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The best that I can and others can do is to just educate, if they refuse then it's on them. A lot of people have their minds set on China, DPRK, USSR and won't change them.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it is just annoying sometimes. It saves energy if you just ignore liberals being liberals (I would only ever debate one for personal entertainment or for the entertainment of others).