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The ML is thick in this room
Do you have a different take?
Not one I’m willing to share with someone like you. 🤡🪙
Yeah no you're right, shutting up and leaving oxygen for the people with more knowledge on the subject is the right call.
You do realise that this is a text based conversation right? Contributing or not has no impact on oxygen use. I understand using hyperbole to be witty, but that only works if you, y'know, have wit.
Its a metaphor.
Not a very good one.
Its such a common metaphor either english isn't your first language or you aren't reading at a high-school level.
Common doesn't mean good dawg. Herpes is common, doesn't mean I want it.
I understood what you meant. I understood you were trying to be witty. I just don't think you were successful.
But hey, that's just my subjective opinion. If you don't agree, then by all means continue this pointless argument. I love a good low stakes pissing match.
Yeah no there's no point here, I'm just feeling genuine shock. How the fuck are you living your day to day life thinking anyone using abstractions instead of spelling out every single idea is "trying to be witty".
Being witty means using words in clever or funny way. Telling someone stop talking as to not waste oxygen is an obvious example of trying to put someone down with clever (witty) language.
Also, do you know what an abstraction is? Because calling someone dumb and a waste of oxygen isn't one, I'm not even sure if it really counts as a metaphor even.
An abstraction is more or less a simplification of a more complex topic. The fuck were you simplifying?
The way its commonly used, the oxygen metaphor refers to the limited room for words in a conversation, its not referring to the oxygen people use to breath. The put down was that the opinion of someone with no relevent experience or knowledge was worthless in the context of people who have been to China, studied China, spoken with people living there, etc.
I see that you've completely sidestepped that you were in fact attempting to use witty language.
I could care less about you putting someone down, I only brought it up for context. The substance of the other person being knowledgeable or not is completely irrelevant here. You're just bringing it up to deflect from the original point, that being your use of "the oxygen metaphor" was in fact an example of wit or wittiness.
My saying that this is a text based conversation and thus doesn't require oxygen, was my attempt at wittiness. But unlike you I'm not going to attempt to deny it, nor do I particularly care whether it was a good or not.
And addressing the metaphor itself, it's not a very good one here. One comment in one thread where everything is equally visible is hardly using up much the conversational oxygen or whatever you want to call it. It just reeks of whinging because you don't like people having other opinions from you.
Also it's breathe, not breath. Can you not read at a high-school level yet? Shouldn't be throwing those stones in your glass house there.
I’m not the one simping for an abuser
I haven't made any strong statements on whether the guy she stabbed abused her.
I pointed out that the court didn't mention abuse, but did only give her 15 years, which could be me reading into it too much, but could imply the court believed there was some mitigating circumstances and she didn't just murder him in cold blood.
But that's more nuance than immediately dropping my pants and jerking off while grunting "China Bad" so I see why you wouldn't pick up on it.
15 years seems pretty long for a sentence outside of the US, but I don't know what the average would be in China. I'm just aware that our sentencing structure is ridiculously long for no good reason.
For cold-blooded murder tho? China has the death penalty.
If there wasn't extenuating circumstances, it would be wildly irresponsible to let someone who does that sort of thing free without approval from mental health or parole or whatever that she's not going to do it again.
I don't think China is like Sweden where they can just say "not safe for society, lets revisit this again in 15 years".
The alternative, that there were some mitigating factors just seems more likely.
What is ML?
In a nutshell: fauxmunist who loves state capitalism.
Ah, I see. It refers to the lemmy.ml instance, I take it?
ML is short for Marxism-Leninism, the ideology developed by Stalin (without the involvement of Marx or Lenin) which recommends purges and genocide to ensure sufficient loyalty to the state while the state guides society towards communism out of the goodness of its heart.
And which says the goodness of the state is ensured because communist dictators and high officials don't legally own the nation so they have no incentive to exploit anyone for their own benefit or accumulation of power.
According to MLs, North Korea is doing great, withstanding a fierce capitalist onslaught that is corrupting its citizens with promises of food security. I don't know how they explain the difference with China.
afaik, lemmy.ml was registered to the Mali internet domain because its founders are MLs and wanted the ".ml".
Just making shit up when you can ask hundreds of communists.
I've asked lots of communists. Just the sort of communists that ML states invariably want to exterminate. You know, the weirdos that want to abolish private and state property and stop people from being alienated from their labor.
Do communists believe in Stalinism, as opposed to Marxism or Leninism, and what is their position in regards to the DPRK? Do they believe the Kim regime is doing just fine, as the person you replied to suggested?
I am genuinely curious since I don't often have opportunities to have political discussions with communists.
In the west, Stalinist is just a pejorative for marxist-leninists; Stalin was a ML.
Within ML circles tho, there's more nuance regarding Stalin; there was a split after Stalin's death; for reasons, under Kruschev the USSR used any pretense to revise history and villify him, some true, most untrue or taken wildly out of context. Even Mao who really didn't like Stalin and blamed him and the USSR's support coming with non-materialist, one-size-fits all strings for severe losses incurred during the chinese civil war, was shocked by Kruschev's actions there. For comparison, even the chinese leaders who essentially coup'd Mao took a more nuanced take on Mao's legacy.
But nobody calls themselves stalinists.
Regarding the DPRK, I don't have a take regarding their domestic politics because I don't have any reliable information about the country as its all filtered through western media or unreliable witnesses who can be imprisoned or executed as spies under SK or US law. Its probably not a great place to live, but without access to their politics and history, there's not much useful discussion to be had.
The chinese people I've asked who've been there were depressingly uncurious and just had cool vacation photos.
Yes but not exclusively. People who are willing to doubt a victim of domestic violence when it paints China as a baddie. Yet if she was “western,” they would be condemning the country without question.
We're doubting her because the domestic violence didn't come up in the court verdict dumbass, not because it makes China look bad.
Nice alt account
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/is-china-domestic-violence-law-working/
https://www.boell.de/en/2025/09/10/when-masculinity-hurts-domestic-violence-china
It looks like domestic abuse is purposely ignored in China. You bringing this up now makes China look way worse. Congratulations!