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The Serbs enacting laws favoring themselves after the death of Tito did a great job of spreading those ethnic tensions as well. Sure NATO loves doing divide and conquer but it's not a one-sided affair there.
And it in no way explains why NATO would block arms to the Bosnians while the Serbs had plenty of weapons leading to the one-sided massacres. Nor why they would reward the Serbs for doing genocide afterwards.
It never is. The US and pals always take advantage of whatever contradictions already exist that they can exacerbate. It makes no sense to start from whole cloth when every relationship has tensions that can be leveraged.
I don’t have time to re-litigate this today, but if you’re going to hang on BE’s every word, you should listen to his opinion on “genocide” as a trump card, and relatedly the problem with black and white thinking: The Problem with Genocide
Previously.
Certainly genocide is used as a convenient political term, (I've already watched that video quite a while ago) but even the Serbs were like "yep we're doing genocide we want a state for Serbs only!". Then they ordered top-down systemic massacres of Bosnians and Croats.
The casualty statistics as BE mentions are also just telling by themselves: 83% of Bosnians killed were civilians. But "only" 10% of Serbs killed were civilians. This by itself basically proves that Bosnians did commit massacres on civilians but it wasn't top-down policy.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:To_kill_a_nation
So I'm only in the second chapter, but does any of this sound familiar to you?
I think for the book it's moreso chapter 10: "demonizing the Serbs" https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:To_kill_a_nation/Demonizing_the_Serbs
Basically the Serbs are being portrayed by Parenti as poor innocent victims of NATO, but even by just looking at the massive civilian casualty rate it's pretty obvious that's not going to hold. Combine that with NATO actually favoring the Serbs by blocking weapons when only the Serbs had them, and the pro-Serb resolution of the genocide, and it turns out NATO didn't actually favor the Croats or Bosnians as like Parenti claims.
Did you really... Did you just jump around hoping to find something... anything... To confirm your bias?
He does nothing of the sort. Before reading I looked around for an audio copy Both in the book and lectures, he outright says Yugoslavia has plenty of blood blame. He suggests an honest inquiry. I'll read the whole book before I rush to give my faulty memory version or accept a Western narrative just because some half-cocked, half-informed yt guy who threatened to help a fascist regime imprison a lib as a commie said something. And you should too.
Are we talking about the Bosnian war or the Kosovo war? My comments pertain to the Bosnian war and I think your quote is talking about Kosovo.
Also I'm not sure where the "BE is an imperialist" notion comes from. He's quite explicitly saying that you'll usually be on the right side of history by taking the opposite position of any Western narrative but this is one of the rare exceptions.
I think they're related.
I didnt say he was an imperialist. I said what I said. Frankly they're both humans who seem to say weird things.
Of course they're related but there were real systemic atrocities committed by the Serbs against the Croats and Bosnians with NATO support of the weapons blockade and NATO then rewarded them for it with Republic Srbpska.
Likewise NATO did Iran-Contra but that doesn't mean they somehow support Iran. Maximizing casualties on both sides is always convenient for NATO.
Huh. I just remembered you clamming up after being presented evidence the Bolsheviks were punishing people persisting with pogroms. I see you.
What are you even talking about right now I never had a discussion about that
Yes we did. I wanted to investigate with you. You didn't. I did anyway.
Did I explicitly say I didn't want to investigate it or did I not respond to a comment? My Lemmy inbox frequently has 30+ messages from posts and occasionally I just press "read all" instead of reading everything first to clear it. If you can remind me what where this was you might be right but I don't recall it.
It was a long time ago but I think it was probably related to the ongoing Palestinian genocide and wound back around to WW2 and the interment and mass murder of Jewish and other groups. So then back around to the Bolshevik revolution and programs. Don't worry yourself too much over it, sometimes we both get way overinvested in internet political discussions. I still recognize the very valuable contributions you make to raising awareness and appreciate your work. I also don't think you're a bad person, just human like the rest of us.
Thanks likewise. I might be wrong about Yugoslavia btw, I've read chapters of the book (and some other stuff some time ago) but and my knowledge on it isn't that deep. I also watched the BE video and the BE video still seems to hold up, it's not denying Parenti book but just adding additional important context. But I've already got enough stuff going on along with my posting so I don't really feel like reading the entire history of the Bosnian war so if I'm wrong on this one I'll just take the L.
You're welcome and thank you. I have a deep respect for you. I could be misremembering as well, we're human, it happens. And we both have lives outside the internet, and should be able and allowed to live them abundantly, and in peace. May it be so, forevermore.
I wouldn't count it as an L, either way. While it may temporarily embarrass our egos, perhaps we learn and grow more by learning where we are mistaken, plus it helps us to stop/not lead others amiss.
Namaste, if you catch my drift. 🙏❤️🫂
BE basically addresses that at the beginning of the video.
Yugoslavia was a very successful nation until the 1980's, but after the death of Tito the economy started stagnating and then it was ripe for ethnic tensions from the populations which had existed before to resurface. The Serbs with the majority voting in favor for pro-Serbs legislation didn't help.
Why did the economy start stagnating?
I'll read on because I rather trust Parenti’s analyses over YT trust me bros that are having monetized and treated to with with s fascist regime tand inform on the liberal by painting him as commie,because the insult wars hurt his feelings.
Well would ya lookit that. Chapter 3 really gets into it.
The book is freely available, for the rest