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[–] vyitnoomyr@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

[2026-06-18] @soil_owner@twitter.com: It's pretty clear there are four and a half TRULY sovereign countries i.e they have nukes, a capable conventional military, control of the information space, and some level of resource security:

  1. The US

  2. China

  3. Russia

  4. The DPRK

4.5) Iran (no nukes, yet)

[2026-06-18] @thereisnobeth@twitter.com: crazy how you don't actually have sovereignty unless you have nukes

I think it's crazy to say that Iran's not sovereign by this random metric w it's level of deterrence: the strait, all the missile cities, & the potential of making a thermonuclear within weeks if they need to. No Vietnam is slander, as always.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd say Iran is more sovereign than DPRK right now.

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago

I agree. I think one of they key reasons no one messed with the DPRK, other than the nukes, is th fact that they border China

A China with almost no industry and peasants in their army was able to fight NATO and it's cronies to a standstill while NATO was at its apex.

Today, China would just outright steamroll NATO like nobody's business. They couldn't even hope to fight China on China's turf.

No one wants to pick a fight with DPRK when round 2 is guaranteed to be China