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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 hours ago

So, not agreeing with the premise but: this article is from 2014, written by a legit historian, and is specifically not discussing the short term.
Their premise is effectively that war consolidates power and minimizes violence at scale inside the unified territory afterwards. Further, the things nations do to be ready for conflict, like build roads, administrative statates and all the social structures that accompany a standing army facilitate trade and prosperity.

It's less that he's arguing for war, and more just ... Describing the historical consequences of war in aggregate.

It was certainly only titled the way it was because he was publishing a book and this is more eye catching.

[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 13 points 10 hours ago

if by "us" they mean the billionaries behind this company then sure it does

[–] zammy95@lemmy.world 27 points 13 hours ago

Did a war write this article?

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

AT WHAT FUCKING COST?!?!?

[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago
[–] FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

"Yeah because after WWII there was peace!!!1"

Technically, after the war is before the war.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

At the cost of murdering others and taking what is theirs.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Of courses it does, especially when you are the world's biggest arms dealer! By far, not even China, Russia, and Germany combined, throw in UK and France, too

That's the problem.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Well, shit...

Somebody turned off the lights at Washington Post then lol

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Even if true, there has to be a better way to achieve safety and economic security for all. War causes losses for far too many.

ETA: grammar & clarity

[–] Exec@pawb.social 56 points 20 hours ago

Democracy died in daylight

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 181 points 1 day ago (9 children)

For general context, the opinion piece was published April 2014. Bezos owned The WaPo at the time and had since 2013. Author is Stanford historian and archaeologist Ian Morris.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 39 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I looked at the premise of his book that this article seems to connect with, and it basically boils down to "History shows that societies becomes a lot more peaceful and productive after periods of war."

Wow, who'd've thought that things get better for the people who survive a war? It's a good thing we can apply survivorship bias to the whole of human history with such confidence like that.

So it's not that war makes things better, but that we become better off after we stop fighting? We become better off after we decide fixing our problems peacefully is a good idea? Brilliant.

It's also not true when you consider all the times war follows war and societies see decades if not centuries of decline involving numerous civil wars. On top of that, when war is not devastating for those that start it, it does not inspire them to change; rather it becomes part of their norm.

That was not how I read the article at all. What it is arguing is essentially that people benefit from the presence of order, especially when it includes larger numbers of people, but that historically such order only tends to come about through warfare. By all means disagree with this—though you might consider reading the article if you haven't so that you are responding to its actual points—but it has nothing to do with people doing better merely because they have survived the war.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Is that compared to the war itself, or the time before it? I have a doubt. We were all told that we were in a historic era of peace before things kicked off this month, so the bar is set pretty high. Plus, even after the dust settles, the entire Northern hemisphere will likely still be up to its collective asses in fascists with way too much power to turn around and do it again.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 1 points 8 hours ago

Stanford has a lot to answer for these days.

[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 7 points 16 hours ago

Artist putting the dove of peace in there should be shamed, too. Mf’er thinks they have some design porn going on there when all it is is selling out to oppressors

Thanks for sharing the link in the interest of fact and transparency.

I will do one better and provide a link to an archived copy of the article so you all can read it for yourselves!

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 20 points 22 hours ago

WTF this is a real article

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 22 points 1 day ago

He seems like not a great guy.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 102 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago

Us, the wealthiest owners of Raytheon and Lockheed shares. Who did you think?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 10 points 19 hours ago

“When we talk about U.S.A., we ain’t talkin bout you, ése.”

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[–] BinzyBoi@piefed.ca 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Democracy dies in darkness, and we're on the side of darkness"

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 42 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Democracy dies in darkness

This stopped being a warning and started being a mission statement.

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 20 hours ago

Right up there with Google's "Don't be Evil"

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[–] berg@lemmy.zip 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago

I didn't even see the WaPo part of the post at first... and I didn't need to.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 26 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, I mean, what it said. Genocide! Love that. I respect The Washington Post and its commitment to corruption, abuse of power, and harm to kids.

[–] DandomRude@piefed.social 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And this is the newspaper that played a major role in bringing Nixon down at the time... what an utter disgrace.

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[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

The first thing to die in war is the truth.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

What the fuck.

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