I don’t see the big deal, everyone in the world was born on 1 Jan 1900, right?
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Umm... I was born 1-Jan-1970 at 0:00 UTC.
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There's the big deal (already a thing in the country I exist in):
How will they force online checks using an operating system you own? You can just have the OS lie.
Besides if you’re living in a country with that level of surveillance, you should already be on a VPN regardless.
Oh, that's simple. Just have the law require all end user OSes to have government-verified ID check functionality that is out of the user's control and the integrity of it protected by Secure Boot.
Accessing any online service with an operating system capable of manipulating or bypassing the check will be considered some flavor of hacking or fraud.
Boom, done. All the privacy activists go into the slammer and Microsoft gets to sell a new version of Windows to everyone.
I genuinely feel sick to my stomach. That would completely end my life. No joke.
Yup, this is why I'm not sleeping right now!
@pennomi@lemmy.world @politicalmemes@lemmy.ca
How will they force online checks
In case of Brazil, it'd be through the full power of the corpo-state full with regulatory agencies, judiciary, financial system, and police force.
Either companies and platforms comply, or the telecommunication agency (ANATEL, Agência Nacional de Telecomunicações) would simply subpoena all Brazilian ISPs to block IP addresses and DNS entries, alongside the courts applying daily fines for disobedience shall those have any Brazilian bank accounts.
Big corps such as Google and Meta and Apple, with enough money to burn on Persona and au10tix KYC services, won't even be needed to be forced to comply: they got a fresh golden goose of tracking data!
It's the small companies and orgs who'll either: go bankrupt trying to get the KYC on their systems, cease activities altogether, geoblock Brazilian users, or going the Non Serviam way with the risk of having the wrath of the state.
As for the end user, the whole weight of this conundrum between state + big corps + cheerleading herds of complying citizens vs any company and org who dares not to comply will push them into compliance, because we live in a sick world where one must have a damn smartphone to be allowed to "live in society". Brazil heavily rely on digital payments ("Pix") and many things have been digital-only since the COVID-19 pandemics.
Dissidents such as me, who managed to convince themselves of a quasi-Luddite way of life, the item "living in society" ruled out from "living plans card", well, who knows what will happen? I got no money for them to seize because I've been long unemployed, no belongings to get auctioned, nothing I could lose, except for the reminiscent illusion of mundane freedom which is not being inside a jail yet...
just have the OS lie.
Even if the OS and browser managed to trick apps and websites with fake KYC authorization tokens, that would be illegal.
you should already be on a VPN regardless.
Before this law existed, there's precedent for past legal decisions where VPN was explicitly prohibited by Supreme Court, and people were somehow discovered using VPN (packet sniffing from ISPs, I guess) and were fined for doing so (not mere "you owe to the State": banks are subpoenaed to lock assets, and the fines get autopaid).
Also, if we zoom out and look at the forest, it's spreading worldwide. If enough countries pass their flavors of this "age validation", eventually there'll be nowhere left for a VPN to circumvent anymore. VPNs must be in some country to operate.
I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm not complying, I'm currently using an outdated Linux on an old laptop, I haven't updated for a while (thing is expected to get at the OS level) so I won't have any age check mechanism anytime soon on PC. But I know how it'll eventually get me one way (coercion by social comformity) or the other (coercion by force).
Maybe I'm exaggerating, I don't know... This world is truly depressing.
Wasn't that how systems was implementing it? You just enter your age.
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As a non-American, I am not doing this. Even if it's just one extra click, I'm not going out of my way to do anything just because a handful of US States decided to pass some idiotic law. If I'm forced to spend any effort at all on this, it'll be to disable it. If some websites require me to have it enabled to function, I will just stop using them. Enough is enough with this shit.
American here. I vote for you for president.
Yeah, I don't even know your name, but....well look what we got now. You've already shown in that one post, that you'll be a better leader than anything else we have going today. I'll take the risk. How could it possibly be any worse, ya know?
I get your sentiment, but never ask how it can get worse. It can.
Thank you for your solidarity with us Americans. I don't live in California, but I don't think it's less likely to affect me by virtue of not living in California.
Like 1/2 of the states are in the process of pushing almost the same law through, with almost the same language.
Leave america for somewhere saner
Linux grew too fast. We have all these windows kiddies defending this overreach.
All bots. No sane human wants this
Propaganda makes a lot of people insane. I know people that support this.
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I wouldn't downplay how many people are genuinely convinced this is a good idea.
Don't need bots once the propaganda takes a hold
Imagine being used to a centralized authority over what your computer does smh
Too fast??? It was started in like 1992. It's been the slowest growth I've ever seen! I hadn't even heard of it until 2006!
I understand why people dislike SystemD now
It is now legally mandated - by shit lords and trolls of any age - to set their age to 67, 69, even 420.
I think there was a comment once from Steam about how some rediculously high nimber of users were "born" on Jan 1st.
You're one thousand three hundred thirty seven years old?
You don't see that one much these days. 1n my day5 1t wa5 3v3ryw3r3.
54m3 h3r3...
I'll be rounding out my eighty-thousand and eighty fifth year here in june.
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I can only imagine that somewhere, there is an incredibly anti-systemd person screaming I told you! I told ALL OF YOU!!!
Either that or they gave up on that a while back and already switched to BSD.
systemd has already reverted this rogue commit/ merge
Edit: after following up, the PR I had seen was closed, not merged. This is still live.
Not true, looking at systemd main branch shows the field still exists. Here's the state as of posting this comment:
Also ping @Gonzako@lemmy.world fyi
You sure? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/41179?ref=sambent.com
Edit: F. Looks like you're right
Status: Closed
That means it wasn't accepted, see also the last comment before closing:
It's an optional field in the userdb JSON object. It's not a policy engine, not an API for apps. We just define the field, so that it's standardized iff people want to store the date there, but it's entirely optional.
Hence, please move your discussion elsewhere, you are misunderstanding what systemd does here. It enforces zero policy, it leaves that up for other parts of the system.
And sorry, I am really not interested in these discussions here. it's not the right place for this, and please don't bring it here. Thank you.
Man don't make me learn something else to start avoiding systemd. Its just so much more convenient than the alternatives.
That's exactly why we adhere to Unix philosophy.
If software does too much it's harder to replace.
OpenRC is really not that bad.
Its not, I was using it when I ran Gentoo, but its substantially more present if that makes sense. When I'm using systemd I don't have to think about it when I'm configuring my system in normal circumstances but with openrc it's always something that had to be accounted for.
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Man I hate learning news from memes because it doesn't always get the full picture and I'm too stupid to know where to get the full picture.
I do wonder what happens with system accounts and servers. But I know it will be a patchwork of laws so the answer will change depending on the patch of ground it is on, and solutions and none of it will work correctly.
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