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Millions show up, "but could it be perfect?" Fuck off guardian.
If legacy media treated the Trump administration's ridiculously unconstitutional antics with the same skepticism as they express about protesters, perhaps he wouldn't have been elected to a second term.
Turn "No Kings" into a general strike. Ask the French, they are the experts.
I think "Trump bad" is a legit reason
I agree. I think Miller and his dweeb crew have "flooded the zone" - done so much outrageous and horrible shit as quickly as possible - so effectively that protesting over specific issues just doesn't work right now. It's not that little Donnie has done one or more specific bad things that we want him to change policies on. Little Donnie is going out of his way to do as many bad things as possible, and by the time we organize a protest about bad thing number 67, he's already moved on to bad things number 69, 88, and 108. "Go back to Epstein Island and put the adults back in charge" is the only rational message for a mass protest right now.
They want protestors to have too many demands so they fail just like the Occupy Wallstreet protests. "No Kings" is a good demand.
No kings needs to become No Oligarchs. All that MAGA responds with are taunts like "we dont have a king" and "We havent had a king in 250 years".
I think it’s going to get to the point where we will be doing a protest every month if not weekly to show our distaste in this administration. I really do feel and think that there needs to be a massive show of distaste outside the White House with that being said, I know if that occurs there will be violence from the administration towards a protest outside of the White House lawn.
Probably the best thing about these events, for me, is that I've learned that there are hundreds of like-minded people in my rural area and that I'm not alone in this. Living in this area, it feels like I'm surrounded by nothing by MAGA conservatives and there's no room for dissenting opinions. But it's simply not true. They're just the ones who've been loudest all these years, but that's changing.
Sitting in front of a screen and complaining about what's going on while also disparaging those trying to do something about it -- 100% ineffective, 100% counter productive.
When hundreds of people are showing up in public across thousands of small towns around the country, that's people learning they aren't alone. That's people making new friends. That's people actually getting involved and organizing. And that's not to mention, this is happening in all the major cities as well.
In a way, the demands of the movement are on ourselves, the people attending these events. It comes down to making ourselves responsible for learning how to organize, engaging in political speech, and to normalize exercising our constitutional rights. This is all new to large numbers of people attending these events, so it's a learning experience for a lot of us.
And besides, I think of it this way...
Let's say November rolls around and the president decides to interfere with the elections or he tries to invalidate the elections. What's got a better chance of successfully resisting? A scared and disorganized population that's never organized and/or attended a protest and isn't prepared for what that entails? Or a populace that's done this a few times already in recent history, that's built up support, knows how to organize, knows who to contact, and one who is actively engaged? In this life, there are no guarantees, but if I had to put my money on one of those two, I'm choosing the the latter.
💯 and a couple tips:
You can talk to other people at protests. It’s okay to ask political questions, but also just simple stuff like what brought you out here? What are you most upset about? Not everyone is there for the same reason and it is fascinating to listen to answers and you might make connections that will be valuable when shit goes down.
Say you’re in a liberal city. Are your local leaders going to the protest? Ask them! What could be more beneficial than having people with actual political power on your side in attendance?
We need tangible action.
Theory:
Assembly shows solidarity, and helps to cement a political outlook shared by others. It reminds those in power that we are here and oppose them. Gathering for a mass protest builds the reflex - making it easier to gather en mass in situations when real opposition can make the biggest difference
Practice:
Hey, knock off all that fascism or we WILL take another lap..
I mean these are good places to meet people who agree on taking tangible action.
Speaking for the protests in my area, organizers used them as a way to get people to sign up for local community action groups.
When ICE was deployed in our town a few weeks later, those email and phone lists triggered trainings, neighborhood watch signups, and a bunch of other shit.
My guess is that the good no kings events will be used in a similar way this week. Once people are gathered, organizers will use the opportunity to sign people up for more tactical stuff. ICE watching, election watching, door knocking, etc.
Oh look. The same attack they used against Occupy Wall Street. Expect it to be repeated until its accepted wisdom.
do they need clearer goals?
They need more persistence and more frequency.
1day protests every 4 or 5 months isn't putting pressure on anyone.
Peaceful protests do not put pressure on anyone. They don't achieve anything except showing public support for a cause.
Unless protests turn into more direct forms of action such as blockades or riots, nothing will happen.
Have half the country not work for the next 3 months.
You'll see change.
Tbh I think they really only slowed down because it was the absolute dead of winter.
If the weather is enough to stop protests, the country is more cooked than I thought.
These protests are a place for organizing and networking.
But what's really being danced around is "Why are there not politicians converting this movement into effective policy?"
And we all know that the power brokers and leaders of the political parties are being paid to ignore them and keep it a leaderless and rudderless movement. We saw the exsct same thing with Occupy Wall Street and thst resulted in lobbyists codifying their bribery into law.
These protests are an important part of the process. At least one commenter in this thread mentioned that seeing people out there encouraged them to participate more.
And discussions online are also an important part of the process. The discussions online are what led to the protests being organized.
These protests need to lead to discussions of concrete goals - what they should actively accomplish, otherwise they will fizzle out like the Wall Street protests in years past.
And people should see the groundswell of support and run for local office, run for regional office, for state, for national office. Get the experience and take over the government at all levels. Take our country back from fascism.
So all of it is important. Do what you can at every level. Fight against misinformation and fascist propaganda. Get out on the street if you're able. Run for office if you're able. Support those running for office. Participate in discussions about concrete goals.
All of it matters.
The folks I know who are taking more tangible action are not posting about it online, and there’s more of them as time passes. Don’t be passive, talk to people irl, and be smart about your choices and actions. We all have different roles and different levels of risk tolerance.
talk to people irl
fuck
For everybody who says that the no kings protests are useless: they're not. They provide a space for people to meet those in person to start taking tangible action.
The protests aren't the action, they're an act of organization, which is how you get action.
A hugely important aspect is to put your money where your mouth is. Vote with your wallet - this administration cares about you more as a consumer than as a citizen.
Be mindful of where you spend your dollars. Shop with local businesses that deserve your money. Single day boycotts of giants like Amazon and Walmart aren’t helpful if you’re just going to show up tomorrow and buy from them anyway. Find alternatives and really consider who will be benefitting from every dollar you have to spend.
Pay in cash. Use local swap or buy nothing groups. Try lending libraries and second hand stores. Give homemade gifts and baked goods instead of store bought presents. Go without. We have been conditioned to live our lives laden down with so much stuff, and truly so many occasional use items don’t need to be owned by every individual household.
"No Kings" - Sounds like a clear goal to me. Excuse me now while I get ready 🇺🇸
Some 50501 chapters are speaking out about demands https://50501demands.com/
The only thing that's going to get their attention is a general strike. As long as Frank Freeway is more worried about getting fired than he is about what kind of society we're going to live in, that's not going to happen.
Large protest gatherings are a demonstration that there are enough people out there who are also pissed off that a general strike could be feasible. They don't make it happen, there's still further steps, but you don't get to the general strike in a country with so few politically inclined unions without the protests paving the way.
Fuck yes
I've said this before nokings 1, and nokings 2
If it's just going to be protest parades, then don't even bother, you're wasting your time.
Let me be very clear: nokings 1 & 2 changed. nothing.
If you want to change things, protest for weeks, protest in from of the Whitehouse and don't leave until the Cheeto is gone