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[–] 96 points 6 months ago (33 children)

Unfortunately this is partially because a large portion of the US populace doesn't ever hear the truth. So much time and effort has been spent on overtaking media outlets that even -after- gas prices started rising there are people who don't realize it's because of the war. It's disgusting, and I have no idea what the average person can do about it. It feels like I'm shouting into the void.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Ah yea, if only they would hear the truth, they would totally- Everyone and their mother knows about Epstein. The majority of humans are straight up unable to care one iota about people outside their most immediate tribe.

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    [–] 82 points 6 months ago (46 children)

    I’m getting damn tired of this style of post.

    We get a rare drop, where circumstances suddenly allow a leftist position to become the mainstream position. Then inevitably, someone posts “America only cares about because it started impacting normies”.

    And somehow the reaction is not “Hell yeah it did, brother, now is our time, let’s rolllllll!” but instead passing that tweet around while going “tsk-tsk”.

    What the actual fuck are we doing? If we got a gift horse, we’d probably say “Hold up lemme enroll in equine dentistry school for next semester”. Like goddamn.

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    [–] 42 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Copy pasting a comment I made on a similar meme

    Not to give excuses for people but it's also perfectly reasonable to express concern for something that directly affects one's daily life, before an abstract system of domination.

    Moral evaluation is overridden when one's purchasing power and thus livelihood is threatened. The Yellow Vests in France started because of a gas price hike, and then transformed into a political movement. The Boston Tea Party into the American Revolution. Police Corruption in Tunisia into the Arab Spring... It always starts with concrete issues and then expands in critic of the system.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Thank you. People tend to look at individual and societal behaviors from the same point of view.

    Access to quality information, presence of logical frameworks, proper moral frameworks over heuristics, biases, propaganda, etc. play much greater roles in influencing societal behavior rather than a simple explanation of "society is so selfish".

    Just a personal observation, but looking at stuff in this manner creates resentment against society and makes it seem irredeemable. This is bad, as it hinders any motivation to change it for the good.

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    [–] 29 points 6 months ago

    This administration has made me a straight up anarchist. Fuck this bullshit government system, fuck all government, laws don't matter anymore, fuck money and fuck corporations.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Americans are isolated by a very carefully crafted coccoon of corporate media sources that generally downplay, spin or ignore real humanitarian stories when they make the US looks bad. This has been the norm since Bush Sr. And I say this as one, because I've completely eliminated all conventional media from my life because it's fucking useless.

    Snippets the media drop about a far off war do not register with the US public until it hits their pocket books, probably because said media has conditioned them to be numb to war being the default state.

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    [–] 27 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    War is a game to Americans because it's a far away concept, since they always invade. What America needs is to have war come to their land, when it's their homes on fire and their streets are battlegrounds, maybe they'll stop being such war loving trash. This is the fault of every American, from MAGA dirtbags to leftists infighting while the fascists win. You and your garbage society led us to this.

    I just hope America suffers, the way they've made everyone else suffer through the decades

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This is my theory, europe saw the devastation of ww2, they saw how it killed and maimed millions of people of all classes, and really by necessity they built a progressive society out of the ashes. They needed universal healthcare because everyone's job got bombed, they needed workers rights to vacation because there weren't enough regular jobs for people.

    US never had that, we went from wild west to wealthiest country in the world with little transition and the same wild west economics of 150 years ago still runs the country today.

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    [–] 26 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    I dont know where OOP got that idea from. Americans were never for this and polling data bears that out, especially relative to most wars which have had extremely high levels of approval at the outset, even for ones like Vietnam and Iraq that later became massively unpopular.

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    [–] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Americans are reaching very high levels of political disengagement. Most Americans know it doesn't matter who they vote for. They haven't seen real reforms out of either party, except to make the rich a lot richer. Combine that with the hassle it is to vote in many places and people have just stopped caring unless their personal life gets too bad.

    It's exhausting voting for promises that never materialize or seem to always monkey paw into a way for corporations to suck up all the benefits. People are tired.

    And yeah, it's on purpose. The more disengaged people get, the more the elite can legally rob them.

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    [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    *humans

    That is why its so important to teach the values of socialism in context of self identified selfishness.

    If we can guarantee that everyone has the means to live healthy and comfortable…

    Then you are guaranteed to live healthy and comfortable.

    If everyone looks after their neighbours, then your neighbours will look after you.

    We are a long way away from a world where human psychology does not contain an ego, first step to mediate that is to accept it and find a way to be at peace where it can no longer cause harm.

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    [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not an exclusively American trait, it's just human nature. Uproar generally only happens when the material security is not being met by the ruling power. For example, the French revolution arguably only happened because of food shortages at the time, which was blamed on the aristocracy. That's why the smart demagogues provide just enough material security and freedom so as not to agitate the entire population.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Yep, there are two things that can trigger regime change: precarious drops in material conditions and concerted foreign intervention. The Ancien régime's food and debt crisis, Czar Nicholas' economic collapse, post-WWI German austerity and economic struggles, Cold War coups and power plays all over the world, etc... It's the same story over and over.

    The core value of sedentary civilization is stability and predictability. No population has ever, or will ever, flip their lives upside down and plunge into an uncertain power vacuum out of the goodness of their hearts. And yet ideologues on the internet insist that they can will revolutions into existence with memes.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think this is accurate. If your only interaction to Americans is the terminally online dipshits, I can see why you'd think that. Americans are just ignorant, especially now with how consolidated mainstream media has become. Fox News is never going to report on the real tragedies the American military creates when it bombs civilians, and for a lot of people Fox, CBS, CNN, etc are their only source of news. They're very effective propagandists.

    But try as they might, not even the most adept propagandist can hide the gas prices. It's an inconvenient truth not even Trump can lie his way out of.

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    [–] 17 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    checks notes Almost 4,500 children were shot in 2025 in the USA.

    I don't mean to be rude, but the US doesn't even care about it is own children considering dying from a gunshot wound is the number one child killer in the US.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, well, the raping children was what caused me to first question the current American political leadership but that's just me apparently.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    I mean, redpill/ blackpill/ hard right wing BS thinking is what got everyone in this mess in the first place. I'm not sure why doubling down on it would help.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    News don't report on the suffering of Iranians. However, high gas prices are impossible to conceal by the media because you experience it every day.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Always have been Like, really. Anti-war mouvement are massives during conscription. People are protecting their own interests, and is a good think to build grass root mobilization (or organization)

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Americans are just so disconnected. That's why we don't see mass antiwar protests at the Whitehouse. The only mass protests we see are organized and planned in advance.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    First of all, it's not the gas prices this time

    Americans, even MAGAs, have hated this war since day one. Read conservative Reddit and Facebook pages, no one is defending this that isn't being paid to defend it

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Foreigners when it's convenient: "America is the most propagandized nation in the world"

    Foreigners responding to American Propaganda: "Clearly the news is 100% right about everything they say about the American people"

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    [–] 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Oddly enough, it actually does seem like Tucker Carlson and other MAGA people are calling for the 25th Amendment today so he doesn’t commit a war crime in Iran.

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    [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    I think it depends. Sometimes it feels like were surrounded by idiotic selfish people. But other times I remember that those in power made good education and higher education harder to obtain. I believe that and the decision on Citizens united has molded some scary ass human beings in the USA.

    But its not all Americans. There are some good people here. People who tried to do the right thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Don't make it an american thing, selfish people exist everywhere

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    [–] 8 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    A lot of Westerners, especially Americans ofc, got very much used to third worlders suffering/dying for their comfort, or sometimes for no reason. Do you remember how much extreme media attention it took for Americans to realize that war in Ukraine was 'serious' and not just 'another war where no civilization exists'? And it's literally Europe. I have no idea what you'd need to do to get the average American to care about people from 'rest of world'.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    America is the most propagandized place in the history of humanity. The stranglehold that capitalists hold over American worldviews begins in public schools and is constantly reinforced through media.

    I honestly don’t believe Americans can think about the rest of the world until either capitalism is dismantled and the propaganda machine destroyed, or they lose a world war and are made to change.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    People tend to react first to what hits their daily life—it doesn’t mean bigger issues don’t matter, it just shows how human priorities work.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Isn't blackpilling an incel thing?

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