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Map of the various sign languages spoken across Turtle Island, excluding Francosign languages. Plains Sign Language is labelled in red as Hand Talk

Plains Indian Sign Language (PISL), also known as Hand Talk, Plains Sign Talk, Plains Sign Language, or First Nation Sign Language, is an endangered sign language common to the majority of Indigenous nations of North America, notably those of the Great Plains, Northeast Woodlands, and the Great Basin. It was, and continues to be, used across what is now central Canada, the central and western United States and northern Mexico. This language was used historically as a lingua franca, notably for international relations, trade, and diplomacy; it is still used for story-telling, oratory, various ceremonies, and by deaf people for ordinary daily use.

In 1885, it was estimated that there were over 110,000 "sign-talking Indians", including Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Sioux, Kiowa, and Arapaho. As a result of the European colonization of the Americas, most notably including American boarding and Canadian residential schools, the number of sign talkers has declined sharply. However, growing interest and preservation work on the language has increased its use and visibility in the 21st century. Historically, some have likened its more formal register, used by men, to Church Latin in function. It is primarily used today by Elders and Deaf citizens of Indigenous nations.

History

Hand Talk's history is intimately associated with both ancient and recent petroglyphs of the continent, however, little is known to academia about Plains Sign Talk's historical antecedents. The earliest records of contact between Europeans and Indigenous peoples of the Gulf Coast region in what is now Texas and northern Mexico note a fully-formed sign language already in use by the time of the Europeans' arrival there. These records include the accounts of Cabeza de Vaca in 1527 and Coronado in 1541.

Signing may have started in the south of North America, perhaps in northern Mexico or Texas, and only spread into the Plains in recent times, though this suspicion may be an artifact of European observation. It is known that there is a complex of Maya sign languages called Meemul Chʼaabʼal or Meemul Tziij in the Kʼicheʼ language, but it is unknown to what extent Meemul Tziij has affected Hand Talk.

The Northwest is home to Plateau Sign Language, which is either a single language or a family of sign languages spoken by the local nations. It is also unknown how associated Plateau Sign Language is with Hand Talk, but it is probable that they are related. Although it is still spoken, especially by the Ktunaxa, the Plateau nations historically shifted to using Chinook Jargon instead

In recent years, the Oneida Nation has taken steps to revive their sign language. Historically, the nations of the Northeast Woodlands, like the Haudenosaunee, spoke a variant of Hand Talk. The Oneida Sign Language Project officially began in 2016, and more signs are being added to this day.

Geography

Sign language use has been documented across speakers of at least 37 spoken languages in twelve families, spread across an area of over 2.6 million square kilometres (1 million square miles). In recent history, it was highly developed among the Crow, Cheyenne, Arapaho and Kiowa, among others, and remains strong among the Crow, Cheyenne and Arapaho.

Melanie R. McKay-Cody, a Cherokee Deaf woman and Hand Talk speaker/researcher, motions that "Plains" Sign Language is actually a family of inter-related languages extending beyond the Great Plains. She breaks down the regional languages as: Northeast Hand Talk (including Oneida Sign Language), Plains Sign Language, Great Basin Sign Language (spoken, for example, by the Ute), and Southwest Hand Talk. She also notes a West Coast language spoken by the Chumash, and she advances the idea that Inuit Sign Language has some relation to this complex of manual North American Indigenous languages. Unmentioned is Coast Salish Sign Language. Within each of these languages, she explains that nations will themselves have specific dialects, such as the Blackfoot.

Southwest Hand Talk is spoken by the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, and Pueblo peoples. However, amongst the Navajo and Keres people, there are two unrelated sign languages also spoken: Keresan Sign Language and, by a Navajo clan with a large number of deaf members, Navajo Family Sign. Likewise, Plateau Sign Language may or may not be related to Hand Talk.

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[–] Wmill@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Dreamt I was discussing the intricacies of the yakuza games with someone and having a spirited discussion. Wish I could do that but no one I know plays it like I do so I can't discuss what I wanna kiryu-pain

spoiler3 tried to do criticism of the military industrial complex only to fall short on rouge CIA agent while 6 does it forcing most of japan trying and failing to put kiryu down end game. Just something interesting though because it was kiryu's "last" game I feel like it gets lost from the personal narrative. I do find the switch from 6 to 7 and the dissolving of the tojo to be good. Having these games finally have a departure and continuation of the old stories is nice.

I always contend the last game should be able to stand alone as an ending in case the IP is never brought up again. Yakuza 1 ended with so many people dead and kiryu happily adopting haruka to live together then 2 happens and then he's with the cop lady happy ever after then 3 happens and so on. I liked 0 but it being a forgone conclusion kind of messed up my enjoyment. The kiwami remasters are nice and I have come around to being open to 3-5 getting that treatment too

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember back when playing DnD 2.0, the DM mentioned how Drow language was like 20% sign language due to being sneaky and having to navigate the Underdark and all its terrors. Was a fun detail and not sure how well that survived into later editions.

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[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Anyone able to recommend some easy-to-watch anime? Just finished watching Life Lessons with Uramichi Oniisan and found it very enjoyable. Anything out there with a similar low-stakes, laid back vibe? I don't watch a ton of anime so I don't know where to look.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The general search term for anime with low stakes laid back vibes is "slice of life"

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

this is true and that's kinda the genre I'm going for but 95% of anime is unwatchable garbage to me so I'm looking for recs

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[–] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Lucky Star if you haven't seen it yet.

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[–] Wmill@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

I know part of the media for the drakengard series is playing the game to get the message across but fuck me does playing drakengard 1 kinda suck. I powered through the first part because kept hearing how great the series is but ran out of juice after a while with how the gameplays. Might just watch a play through and jump to 3 though I hate doing this with games.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I found a 1 GB MicroSD card stuck in a full-size SD card adapter while rummaging through a desk today. How adorable

Didn't even realize MicroSD cards ever came in such small sizes

[–] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Make sure to save it. Might be handy or old hardware that has weird SD card size limits.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

I need small SD cards like this to update the firmware on my 3D printer

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[–] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Spilled like 400mL of smoothie on myself today. I haven't had a big food spill like that in years.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yesterday at my computer - I spilled a significant amount of water from a pint glass. Some of it got into the recessed top of my PC tower where some jacks are. I tried to mop it up as fast as I could be I was a bit too late. The easy access headphone jack got water logged and the poor thing died. I use my headphones for my PC all the time. The good news is I can simply use a jack at the back. And I'm lucky it wasn't something like a smoothie. I can get ants and sugar inside my PC could become a problem.

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Lyft put a $4 bonus zone over my house for some reason. I have no idea why because my town is pretty small and nobody is ever requesting rideshare up here - my theory is that one person tried and failed to get a ride and that triggered the algorithm to put the zone here.

I logged on and grabbed it of course, but that was over an hour ago and no rides. I'm almost certainly not going to get anything until I choose to go into town later at the normal time I start working, but hey $4 is $4 gimme that money.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Doing my dishes

Like a Mormon pornstar would

Many rounds soaking

[–] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

RG Veda had some really good music in its OST, although I don't think it played much of it during the actual OVA. I'd have to rewatch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmTHLxhrAk

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Folks, is there a Firefox extension to hide bluecheck fascists on X that actually works? The fucking pay to win sorting algorithm has been made worse than its ever been.

[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Control Panel for Twitter extension works really well

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[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

The riff in +rodä läppar, söta äpplen+ by Vildhjarta with the bent harmonics might be one of the coolest riffs I've ever heard

thall

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think I'm on the last task I need to 100% Deltarune Chapter 3......but fuck me I thought the last secret boss was hard.

I actually got pretty close on my second or third try (after going back to the save point, setting up my equipment, and filling my inventory with healing items), but I haven't been able to lock in like that again ever since. Bout to go to work so maybe when I get back I'll have a clear head.

idk what it is about this game in particular, normally I legitimately don't care at all about getting 100% and just go through a game's critical path, but I guess I'm so invested in this one I can't bear the thought of missing anything so I haven't even started chapter 4 yet.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (8 children)

kind of interesting how video games do eternal magical lighting in places that shouldn't have lights for gameplay purposes (some exceptions for treasure-hunter games deliberately imitating films)

but films always have characters create or cause lighting for say, ancient tombs.

and both of these are the easier option in the medium, creating whole systems for lighting/extinguishing sources needed for gameplay is excessive work, yet keeping consistent lighting, esp. when it involves flammables is time sensitive with film, so it makes more sense to incorporate into scenes

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[–] forcefemjdwon@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Drakenier series is actually part of the kaiju genre, and is in fact its highest development. Giant androgynous demon mother falls from the sky, kills off humanity with a mass pollution (fallout/microplastic/mako) event, failure of international governance, men become obsolete, and mankind is replaced by (female/genderless) machine intelligence. The reason Yoko Taro wears the Emil mask is to hide the fact that she is actually Nyx Land.

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Gotta love this kind of propaganda, my man doesn’t once even mention what Serbia did during the yugoslav wars, I wonder why? Are they one of those goofy Serbian nationalists😂?

Anyways this sub existence needs to be banned I hate that we got banned but these people get to spew whatever fascist propaganda they want

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