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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The idea that the Major Software Enshittificator which is Samsung would ever go along with this is incredibly naive.

Samsung was one of the first to fill their smartphones and tables with tons of useless "Samsung" software that can't be removed by normal means, and even people who had their older and less insanely stuffed with junk devices got them forcefully filled with that crap via updates (making their older devices unusable, "incentivizing" them to get new ones).

Samsung hasn't been consumer friendly for at least a decade.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

When smartphones became a thing, everyone had Samsungs. I played around on a classmate's Samsung Galaxy Whateverthefuck (might've been a Gio or a Y) and in addition to the hardware itself being shit because it was a low-end device in like 2010 or 2011, the software was HORRIBLE. So I vowed never to buy a Samsung and I still haven't. Maybe their software got good, maybe it didn't... But my first smartphone was an Xperia and the one after that was the second-gen Moto G. Quite stock-like Android and that's what I've preferred since (though I'm now on iOS, but that's a different story)

[–] razen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How come Linux worked on desktop but on phones it is having such a hard time even tho Android has the linux kernel( i think).

Is PC hardware more open and known to everyone about everything while mobile dosent? And if that is the case then why arent phone opening itself for support?

[–] peskypry@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because ARM is a fucking mess. Each device has it's own way of booting. There's no standard like UEFI or BIOS.

Plus you need propreitary code for modem to support 2G, 3G, 4G....etc. which are complicated to implement.

[–] viov@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Would that be a good focus? To get a unified standard for ARM developed to get many devs together to make software/OS'es for it and adapt phones to use those OS'3#

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

so, Linux does work, a lot of stuff works. There is nothing fundamentally different about phones other than them basically all running on ARM instead of x86, which is more common for PCs. More development of stuff for X86 Linux than ARM Linux, although less of a difference than there use to be.

Really the issue is proprietary stuff built on top of android and IOS. Stuff that a lot of useful apps rely on for security and functionality. For instance banking apps are super locked down for obvious reasons, but the standards that have been adopted by the industry for mobile banking are all entangled with proprietary close source stuff.

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[–] parson0@startrek.website 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And I encourage everyone to write to banks and other service providers to provide apks directly or through F-Droid

[–] viov@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

For F-Droid and for Accrescent too. Both would be amazing love this!! Added that suggestion to my latest post post on europe@feddit.org about things people want

Here's the link to the post:

https://lemmy.world/post/46554959

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We might be able to get them to provide APKs with some luck and finesse, but I unfortunately don't see them publishing to F-Droid. F-Droid actually builds your APK from source themselves.

Actually, as I'm thinking about it, that may be true for F-Droid's main repo, but I know other repos exist, so maybe they could host their own that you would just add to your F-Droid's repo list?

[–] Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Hardware should be software agnostic

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not how hardware works, like at all. I agree with the spirit of what you're asking for but you can't just wave a magic wand and put any software on any hardware.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

The problem is that even if somebody out there is willing to go to the work of making device drives, bootloaders and OS releases for the hardware, it still can't happen because the information about how to talk to the hardware isn't open, same thing for the bootloader and even if those things are reverse engineered often even the ability to install an OS there is locked down on the hardware.

As you correctly say, the dream of any software just running anywhere isn't possible because that's not how hardware works, but the current situation is not one were what's blocking it isn't just the natural architectural structure of hardware, it's one where the hardware makers have purposefully and to quite an extreme level locked down their hardware so that even if people are willing to do the work of doing what it takes to run an OS there, they can't because necessary info to use the hardware isn't available and the hardware is even locked down against OS installations for those who don't have the necessary cryptographic keys.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 9 points 3 days ago

Exactly. This was less important before the internet got ubiquitous, but nowadays, when manufacturers can screw you remotely, it's very important.

This kind of vertical integration, where a single entity controls both hardware and software shouldn't exist.

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[–] cdzero@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fairphone do work with Ubuntu Touch.

[–] viov@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Wait really? Ooo I have to check that out. Thanks!

[–] peterhorvath@mastodon.de 1 points 17 hours ago

@cdzero @viov Btw, Ubuntu mobile is long ceased to exist, what is this ubuntu touch thing now?

[–] thomasshikari@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago (9 children)

A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 days ago (13 children)

GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems...

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Their gripe seems more to do with eOS, but they kinda couple them together. Hardware-wise fairphone is only deficient in its security chip. I do agree with GrapheneOS in criticisms of eOS’s philosophy and security and privacy goals. The founder of eOS is a prick.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

GrapheOS doesn't like anyone. I don't even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn't make.

[–] nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner

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[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 71 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It 👏 should 👏 be 👏 the 👏 law 👏 .

I don't know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?

Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don't get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.

Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

Per GOS: Samsung has almost all hardware requirements to support GOS except... they purposely cripple their device upon installation of a third party OS. One can only suspect they indeed make money with their spyware stack!

[–] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 days ago

Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.

They go out of their way to ensure that it cannot be disabled even if you do care about the spyware and try to uninstall or disable it.

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[–] furtiveParalysis@jlai.lu 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Fairphone and samsung are absolutely not the same kind. I want to point fairphone is officially distributing /e/OS which is a niche of 2-3 brands. This company that is nowhere in size close to samsung also engages hardcore in device repairability making its phones be a flagship. If anything just let them be successful and tempt others to follow their lead. I would love graphene os to be better supported but just don't put all the strain on the one doing good. (I type this from my FP6 /e/OS)

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would be nice to buy a phone that officially support GrapheneOS. I dont want to thinker with phones. I can image it is going to be the same experience as going from Windows to Linux. Things would actually work in a good way as a user wants to instead of locked down requirements.

[–] unbuckled_easily933@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS has partnered with Motorola and were supposed to see phones that come with GOS sometime in 2027

[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's pretty funny that out of all the manufacturers Graphene doesn't find acceptable, they went with Motorola in the end lmao. Were Nokia and Ericsson not available?

[–] viov@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Who knows but GrapeheneOS success with Motorola can encourage other OEM's to want to work with them.

As for why not maybe Nokia/ Ericsson people aren't aware of it somehow or not focused on how good it is as an alternative

Definitely would love to see what Nokia does with GrapheneOS. Also, never heard of Ericsson till now what do they specialize in/what do people like about them?

Please and thanks

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wonder if that's influenced by inventory control industry. Motorola/Zebra has been in that industry in a way that Samsung/apple/LG hasn't been and they run Android now almost by default. I've used some older windows ce devices and modern ones are using Android, having more control over the device would be a huge advantage for those devices.

Next time you see someone doing inventory/receiving try and get a look at what devices they are using.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Samsung, no. Samsung can't be trusted with anything. That would be like using Tor on Android.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Plus Odin is a pain to work with as you have to rely on leaked tools (Odin3 for Windows and Odin4 for Linux) to do anything official.

[–] Rod_Orm@piefed.world 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wish we have more choice for linux phone

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.

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[–] BrilliantBadger@piefed.ca 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fairphone should focus on helping the Linux options move along, no need waste resources on GOS, just another android ROM

Long term android should die off in place of Linux but its a long road

Have UT running on a Nord phone, they have made good strides over the years, appreciate their dedication

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I have a newer Pixel phone and I'm comfortable installing and running custom ROMs from doing so regularly back in the day - for those who've daily driven both, what are the reasons I should NOT switch from the stock OS to GrapheneOS?

[–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

You can't use Google Wallet to pay with NFC, they don't have Miracast, and Chromecast can supposedly work but I haven't been able to get it to work. Those are the three major hurdles I've found, but getting away from Google was a priority so I'll live without them.

NFC can have other providers other than Google Wallet, but I haven't found any that I find trustworthy enough yet. Supposedly the EU is making an alternative.

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Both tantalizingly close with respect to GrapheneOS. I wouldn't expect Samsung to ever support the other two, but their phones are supposed to have every security element GOS expects. Only problem is that Samsung wants to make their own walled-garden ecosystem a la Apple.

I do remember reading somewhere that GrapheneOS are open to someone making a GSI (generic system image) port that would work with phones like Fairphone, which GOS don't want to officially support due to a lack of security features. I wonder if anyone has started work on such a thing.

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