I feel I should point out that the USA UFOs are BS
(Mick West debunks)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xn9G1TEEqFE
this post was submitted on 10 May 2026
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In Mick Wests own words: "Mysteries remain. What the pilots who reported engaging a giant flying Tic-Tac saw is still unidentified, as are the objects in several other incidents. The causes of ghostly or rapidly moving radar returns are likewise, in many cases, unknown — although since the system is classified, if it's a system glitch or inadequacy, then the Pentagon isn't going to tell us.
We'll also continue to have no good answer for many photos and videos, simply because the object shown is too far away for whatever camera is being used. But "unidentified" means just that. It does not mean advanced technology."
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mick-west-are-ufos-here/id1169885840?i=1000524224097
I would like to believe aliens aren't real, and a lot of shady shit in the usa (e.g JFK's assasination) comes back to their pledged allegiation to a tiny fascist outpost in the middle east.
Since the dead/missing scientists are mainly if not uniquely employed at rocket science labs (or adjacent) my theory is that they were offed for refusing to make weapons for israel. Or kidnapped.
To me it makes sense that any shenanigans tie in to current events.
Could therefore also be the case that they're kidnapping scientists to try and upload their brains to AI. This is a less neat theory.
That's such a cool setting for SciFi! Discovery of an alien civ by studying UFOs. Astonishment at discovering multiple civs. Finding out the reason why these civs don't exist anymore. Protecting ourselves against this threat.
I wish I had time to explore this :(
If you play the Halo trilogy, this is the premise for the Forerunners, who's only way to defeat the Flood is a reality that ALL sentient life would consider extremely horrific when understood.
And you end up running into their drones and bots and leftover tech. Guilty spark is my boy
Their deaths aren't that big a surprise. Look at human history and pre history. It's always the same story, poor sanitation, environmental degradation, corruption and climate.
Look how people responded to covid.
I strongly recommend two books by Jared Diamond, Guns Germs and steel, and Collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns%2C_Germs%2C_and_Steel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed
It's always the same story, poor sanitation, environmental degradation, corruption and climate.
Naah I don't buy it. Individual cities and countries collapse, but not anything larger. Also, poor sanitation throughout history was mostly because of a lack of understanding of germ theory.
Nawww, I was thinking more of a secret nihilistic text or something. Something that just makes an entire civ kill themselves or something. Or maybe some equation that spells eternal doom or something that leaves everyone absolutely hopeless.
I'll try going through the summaries of the books you recommended! Thanks :)
I feel I should point out that the civilizations who did this are probably long dead or just don't care what the probes found. After thousands of years they are gone or have moved on. The probes are just on auto pilot.
Why send out probes if you don't care what they find? That simply doesn't make sense. We certainly don't tend to launch massive space exploration campaigns 'just cuz' with no intention to review the data gathered.
Because the project was started thousands of years ago, and then just kept going on autopilot. If that species still exists their priorities would have changed, and they would already have thousands of years worth of data. They let it run because they couldn't be bothered to turn it off.