Made it more clear for everyone who couldn't find the info.
this post was submitted on 11 May 2026
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Doing the Lord's work. I missed half of OP due to lack of red outlines.
Eh? I still don't get it. Can you make it more clear?
The flag of my new socialist microstate.
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I think I got the important bits there
Much better. People like you are what keeps the world working.
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OOP shoulda just edited the CSS to add
* {
border: 1px red solid;
}
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Those red boxes aren't nearly clear enough, here, I improved it!
Thanks for this, I wasn't sure where to look.
I am still unsure. What are those long squiggly things in the red boxes?
I got you!
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Americans are also obsessed with the notion their taxes would benefit anyone but themselves.
I don't understand why no one can grasp the concept. If your taxes benefit you, and the homeless guy on the corner, that means you're getting more value from your taxes.
It's a cultural thing that's hard to even push back against. Like, I want people to be helped, I want nobody to have to go hungry or have to live on the streets or go broke from medical bills, regardless of how they live, and I know that taxes are the most effective way to do that, but still I find myself instinctively framing it as "taxes are the cheapest way for me to ensure I don't have to deal with a homeless person begging outside my apartment"
Also I think the idea that we're each personally entitled to approve of everything the government spends tax money on is a long game from the right to combat things like pushes for universal health care, government assistance of reproductive healthcare (I first saw this about abortion), and really any form of the government actually helping people instead of demanding charity make up the difference
I think the problem arises when you pay a crapton on taxes, and then comes a billionaire that makes millions of profits and pays zero.
So then the average person gets angry about inequality but instead of demanding that everyone pay their share they think "who knows how many other cheaters are out there. If we can't hold them accountable, then I want to pay less too!".
Which of course is the wrong way to go about it but alas
I argued at length with an American who used to hang out in my friend group for a while. He couldn't stand the idea that his taxes would pay for anything other than his own problems. He called it "giving free handouts".
He'd repeatedly use arguments like "but if my taxes pay for healthcare, I'd be wasting my money on morbidly obese people who created their own problems".
He also loved status and exclusivity.
...and he also fails to note how miserable his life would be if not for taxes from others.
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Because we've been lied to so well that we can "Make it!" that we never accept the idea we'll never make it in the USA.
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Thank the Lord in heaven, in Jesus name and the holy Trinity there were two red boxes to show me what to read.
I'd like to thank my parents, my wife, and most importantly my coach. Without them I would be unable to find the red boxes.
average maga voter is happy to drain their entire bank account if it means minorities will suffer
Socialism is thinking about the impact on other people. Maga is about that too, but in a negative way.
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I did the math in the USA. When I was married with kids my effective rate for a the highest year was 52%. My last year as a single male and all kids over 26, it was 46%. Effective, not marginal, because that matters in the USA as we don’t track those “other salary deductions” for taxes. Effective for those ready to argue include stupid shit like deductibles, copays, uncovered care, out of network care (that happens more than you think with kids). one year we spent 40k (max. In network deductible) because one of my kids had a spiral fracture of his leg on a growth section that had he not endured 3 (THREE) surgeries, he would be left side shorter. That was 190k for all surgeries and 40k out of pocket. Dental, HSA, FSA, Vision, Medical… People need to realize that even though its pre tax, you’re still paying for it and that needs to be considered for effective rate.
I was offered a job in Denmark, so I know this for fact: Denmark was a near match at marginal rate to USA effective rate assuming I never needed critical care in the USA (i would be in debt). BUT, Denmark has effective tax rates in the 40% for those making less than 85k (USD). I think there’s a rich person tax above that at 49%, but I never accepted the job because my Ex wife was a shithead so I didn’t find out.
I’m now in spain paying around 47% effective, but get Beckhams law will make that be 24% at tax time for the next 10 years. After that I need to pay like everyone else and at 10 years I get a pension (small one) for spain.
So yes, Americans pay more. Waaaaay more.
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america is obsessed with taxes of other countries yet they dont like paying taxes in thier own countries, probably projecting and living vacariously through what high taxes can benefit people.
Don’t mention the fact that 40% of premiums go to shareholders and admin fees
But…. Jackasses will tell you, I don’t have kids, why should I pay for education and daycare? Etc. etc.
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Denmark has LEGO
we ARE socialists AND we’re better at accounting
Fixed some typos
Socialism is just smart: organizing expensive stuff at really large scale, without greedy shareholders, just makes it more effective.
All it takes is an efficiently organized government and a voting system that works for the people, not the elites
No, Denmark is not socialist. Socialized services under capitalism and literally collectivizing ownership of industry under socialism are very different regimes, even though they stem from a common conceptual foundation and share a linguistic root. Neither are bad ideas! But the former is still literally capitalism.
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It's also because they pay their workers a living wage, which we don't in the USA.
Americans are dumb as shit and corporations know it
America isn't about "the people", it's just a business. The people are basically products that get sold as a service for the ~~companies~~ anyone wealthy enough.
It's like a nation of human trafficking. Marketed and disguised as freedom. Instead of drugs, the "pimp" markets lifestyles to them that hook them into working for less than they are worth or for less honest freedom than a human deserves. The "lifestyles" make the different groups easier to control. Like each lifestyle is a demographic and they get psychologically marketed to.
Typically if you don't fit one of their demographics you are an outcast and life is made harder for you on purpose because you are seen as someone that doesn't contribute to their system. These "outcasts" get "gangstalked" and pressured into fitting into their set demographics. If the person is unable to do that the person is systematically pressured into the prison system, psychiatric system, homelessness, or suicide.
Part of this psychological idea is that one will hit this man-made manufactured rock bottom and run to the system as a saviour IF they are strong enough to survive it. Oddly enough this aligns with Freemasonry ideology. Being rebuilt from nothing into the ashler, but it's not something everyone is capable of doing and those that can't are basically disposable.
It's a system that hides in plain sight. If you detox from American culture it becomes more visible but then you also risk getting fucked over for life. That's why it's like human trafficking. And once you really see it and understand, you can't hide from the reality. And the reality is gut wrenchingly surreal.
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I'm reminded of the 1/3rd pound hamburger thing ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pound_burger ) . People, and it feels like especially americans, are kind of stupid with money, math, and value.
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US tax rate is only like 5% less too. We wouldn't even have to pay higher taxes to get most of what other countries get. We're just dumb fucks who see all our money going to the military and can't even be bothered to vote once every 4 years. It's pathetic
I also live in a country with very high tax and I'd need to make more than 120k USD per year to have the same standard of living if I lived in the USA. It's impossible to make that much driving trains and also working 40 hours a week in the US as far as I know. Lower tier blue collar work is even worse.
Low tax is for billionaires.
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Yeah but all those payments mean we have a bigger GDP so take that, Danes.
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The logical conclusion is that tax rate directly correlates with happiness.
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