I don't understand the piefed.Social people at all. Are they just making up reality as they go along?
Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Posting Guidelines
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rules
- Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
- Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
- If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
- Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
Relevant comms
I think they really believe the "orchestrated harrassment" bit and everything bad against them is done as part of a conspiracy to kill piefed because... tankies hate us for our freedoms or something
While also being the biggest harrasing users.
Honestly, I'm shocked they haven't just jumped to defederation already, considering they're okay with just nonstop lying and mass bans from personal hit lists. May as well just bite this weird bullet.
I wonder if they know it'd trigger a mass exodus from piefed. While they have many solid communities, the vast majority of their users are there also for federation with communities on world and db0. Defederating them would probably cause uproar when even there I'm sure most of their users see it as a personal spat.
Its why rimu only blocked db0 instead of full on defederating, which even I told rimu directly defederate if he disliked db0s admin policies so much. The fact that he hasn't I think shows that they know it's not as bad as they keep trying to claim.
There are actual hate and horrifying instances that us admins insta-defederated from. They're trying to put regular admins on the same level, but not defederating proves that it's all in their heads.
Honestly, instances should just start defederating them at this point. There's a ton of harassment from them and they clearly don't act in good faith.
I honestly didn't think there would be worse mods than those on world but these last few weeks have certainly proven me wrong
Indeed, the whole project, and everyone associated with it, feels deeply malicious.
Rimu is, and I assume a lot of other people on piefed who agree with him are as well. It's the only way anyone could be okay with what he's doing or think he's at all the good guy in this situation.
Rimu is. The rest of them are either tacking onto his coattails because they believe they'll also gain some amount of control, believe (naively) that they can control him or are buying into his bullshit as the single irrefutable source.
@yogthos@lemmy.ml didn’t release exploits into the wild. He publicly disclosed vulnerabilities, which could be used to create exploits. We removed the post at the request of the developer, and he has since released a security update.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computer_security)#Disclosure
Someone who discovers a vulnerability may disclose it immediately (full disclosure) or wait until a patch has been developed (responsible disclosure, or coordinated disclosure). The former approach is praised for its transparency, but the drawback is that the risk of attack is likely to be increased after disclosure with no patch available.
Yogthos has made a follow-up post: PSA: open source security considerations in the era of LLMs
The discussion is full disclosure vs responsible disclosure. I think almost everyone who is familiar with the situation agrees that:
- yogthos didn't create the vulnerability
- the vulnerability should be patched, and the public needed to be made aware of them
~~I don't see why full disclosure is still being suggested as having been the right call in this case.~~ A patch would have come out just as fast with a responsible disclosure, and there was nothing that users of Lemmy or Piefed could do by becoming aware of it right away. Meanwhile the full disclosure harms regular users, instance operators, and developers alike. I think it would ALSO be bad if someone did this to the Lemmy developers, or any other project.
Responsible disclosure would have meant
- contact the developer and wait a reasonable time for a patch
- contact instance operators to let them know that they may want to take steps before the patch is out
Even if we assume that malicious entities are actively exploiting the vulnerability, which is an assumption and not confirmed, publicly promoting it only makes the problem worse and doesn't speed up any resolution.
I understand that there is also tension between Yogthos and Rimu. I think Yogthos would have come out of this looking a lot better if they went with responsible disclosure
I don’t see why full disclosure is still being suggested as having been the right call in this case.
I don’t think it was the right call and said so in the removed post.
That’s not all!

FINALLY. I've been questioning the ideology behind piefed for months.
Except this is absolutely because I disagreed with them in the last YPTB piefed post. I wasn't even a dick about it.
edit: oh wait, that's not me. They got the wrong wren lol.
PPS: I was also banned along with a wren who hadn't posted in three months. Someone's got a rod so far up their ass their little ban finger is shaking.
Rimu is a campist, and in his mind everyone not in his camp is the same. He has 'stopped the drama' only to enlist others to fight it for him.
I swear I don't love the drama, it loves me!
Obvious PTB, not much of a surprise considering they mod on Piefed(.social) though
This is extra fantastic as snoopy keeps calming it's all over and it's time to make up, while they or rimu again kick those who bring up issues or concerns.
And a massive red flag to fucking ban/retaliate against those who discover and disclose vulnerabilities.
The key part everybody needs to understand here is that finding these vulnerabilities took mere minutes of my time. This is anybody with access to an LLM can do trivially, so the information I provided is not in any way valuable. If somebody wanted to attack piefed maliciously, they could find these same exploits just as easily as I did. Open source developers really have to start thinking about this new reality.
PTB, the misgendering is gross too.
regardless of how shitty the piefed crew has been behaving lately, releasing the security vulnerability as yogthos did was an asshole move and is something i disavow.
Since all yogthos did was using an LLM to find the vulnerability, and anyone can do that without any prior knowledge, today there's not much speaking for limited disclosure in open source software for anything that can be found with automated checks(and I'd argue that a quick check for security issues should be done proactively). This has changed quickly, but it defacto the new standard.
i'm showing my age being unaware then! piefed getting unexpected downtime due to an llm-identified vulnerability has been a bit of an ironic twist after there was just that fearmongering post from rimu about db0 'moderating with llm'
Nothing to do with age, this was a very rapid change in the last months - LLMs are pretty good at finding security issues and even write the exploit for you, and you don't even have to know how to code. That's awesome tho! It leads to much more secure open source code we all can depend on.
Rimu is losing it. I switched to piefed so I don't support the Tankies, but now I am actually considering switching back because even with their views, Lemmy development is attracting much less drama.
Piefed users once again proving they have no actual problem with reddit, they were just slightly inconvenienced once and felt the need to invade every alternative.
Well, I'm late to the party, but PTB.
The reason may be odd though.
It's the reason given that's why I jumped straight to PTB. Didn't need to see anything else.
Any mod or admin that gives that as a ban reason that isn't just cleaning up dead accounts or bots, is automatically power tripping. They could ban the same people, and even for the same things, and not have me immediately knowing they're power tripping with just two words.
It's also smug as fuck all, and I've gotten extra pissy about smug assholes in my middle age. But that's borderline being an asshole myself, so I won't go into it beyond that.
Can someone explain what happened or something lol
- someone got bored and asked an llm to do vulnerability check against piefed.
- found things
- person announced publicly immediately, kind of dick move, without telling rimu/devs first. Although at same time there's questions on if they would have acted based on who was doing the reporting
- piefed instances go down
- sunshine becomes another victim to piefed moderation until said mod realized how bad of a move it was.
- same mod then came to this thread to say it's everyone else's fault for reacting



