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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 95 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Including government contracts right? ICE will put a ID on file for each device right? Right?

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They did this in Hong Kong already. Everyone still gets spam. People who make a living off of this will find a way.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Has nothing to do with spam and everything to know who you are. Spammers don't use "burner phones".

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

yes, I know, I'm just pointing out that it won't even work on its supposed intended goal lol

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"...but it's to protect the children!!!"

Is the usual excuse

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

"Ok Mr Senator, then how about we add free school lunches to this bill. For a large portion of children this is the only meal they get per day."

"fuck off"

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I literally never get spam calls. NEVER.

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you're in the wrong country then lol

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

No I'm not. I'd hate getting spam calls.

Doesn't matter where I go to, though. I've had this phone number since like 96 and it's always been non-listed, so commercial services can't get it unless I give it to them.

I had some calls for a gym membership a few years after I drunkenly put it into some lottery or another but I told them there's a marketing ban on the number and they gave up.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Spam was never done with "burner phones" in the first place, it's mostly done via VoIP through shady telecoms companies that can't be bothered to validate their customers. Due to the age of the phone system it's incredibly easy to spoof phone numbers because it's essentially a trust system. Phone exchange A talks to exchange B and says phone number 123 is calling number 456. How does exchange B know that it's actually 123 calling? They don't at all, they just trust that exchange A is telling the truth. It's really hard to get into the system, but once you're there you essentially have unlimited power with virtually no safeguards in place.

Basically from a security perspective the phone system looks a lot like the 1980s internet, there is technically some security in place, but significantly less than there actually should be.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

It really isn't difficult to get into telcom systems as there are many countries with almost no requirements to sign up as a telco.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

One of the things that surprised me the most when I started working on vishings for a Cybersecurity Red Team was how extremely easy it is to spoof any phone number.

It's the nunber one tip I give to anyone who asks about security, a lot of people don't know that, and spear-vishings are extremely effective.

People have learned to mostly not trust Microsoft Support numbers asking for your CC, but when an internal company number that your phone matches to your bosses boss calls you, a lot of people fall for that.

[–] lIlIlIlIl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago

This isn’t to fight spam, it’s to fight the populace

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

Suddenly voip services will be the new hotness.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"We never thought that would happen here."

When will they learn lmao.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Note how the government isn't going after gun ownership as vehemently as they are digital privacy. They know that it doesn't matter how many guns the people have, if they can't communicate anonymously (or at all), then any sort of uprising will be small and easily quashed.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

and physical address

Can homeless people not get phones under this proposal? Not that they give a shit about homeless people, but it is a valid concern.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

You’d be surprised how many use general delivery, a shelter, or soup kitchen they frequent.

[–] Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If they do this I'm going to go VoIP only it'll be a pain. It's so absurd the oligarchy corpos are pushing for as many business to collect all the user ID photos they can. With all the data leaks that happen it's only going to be a matter of time before stealing someones ID is as easy as stealing anyones ssn. Things will be less secure not more

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's not about security, it's about data. At least, its not about security for the benefit of the public.

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

We never thought that would happen here.

I keep hearing this from many people who are having the day they voted for.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

They will require you to provide an alternate phone number in order to get a cellular service? So you can't get a phone number unless you already have a phone number?

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This has been normal in germany for a decade now

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

My first thought was; are burner phones still a thing somewhere?

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure I saw a vending machine in NYC where you could buy prepaid SIMs for cash. That seems about as "burner phone" as it gets.

[–] darklamer@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

UK still has anonymous SIM cards, which I find somewhat surprising considering the amount of surveillance there.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

At this point it can jump into identity theft zone anytime soon, even if said identity is none.

[–] vorpuni@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 2 weeks ago

Even longer in France. Strangely enough some people have 500 prepaid SIMs to their name and are in 500 places at once!

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

And in Italy for as long as i can remember(i'm 20 y/o though)

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

At least jmp.chat still has Canadian numbers

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How many crimes were committed with burner phones?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

How many wealthy dodge taxes?

Ban the rich!