https://www.pbs.org/video/we-saw-what-ai-data-centers-dont-want-you-to-see-n1ewcf/ This type of journalism is telling the truth & proving it; so now we know that "Data centers must bring their own power source" is not a good thing either, nor is taxing the grid. Sneaky power applications that claim less power & then expand; fossil fuels the BIGGEST energy source and demand for more materials to build this way - this story is revealing, and there wasn't any Chinese budget involved.

Damn the evil CCCCP and their nefarious plot to *checks notes* tell the truth

"Facts that happened to be true"

Please, shut the fuck up. Fucking shut the fuck up. I am at the end of my wits with this place.

So... So they ran an information campaign?

OpenAI has published a report

Into the trash it goes.

The real story is not about Chines influence on data center opinion.

Its openai reading conversations of their customers.

I mean we all already assumed they do before but this is so blatend, it smells like manufactured consent. You need to go from “suspect it happens” to “its normal to be like this”

Those evil Chinese propagandists! How dare they… *flips through notes* tell the truth!?

"facts that happen to be true" aka facts

Their proof is a couple accounts in China asked the chatbot how to convince Americans to not want datacenters in their backyard...

If I asked a chatbot how to convince someone to not like getting punched in the dick, them not wanting to get punched in the dick doesn't mean there's a grand conspiracy and that's why Bob got mad after being punched in the dick.

Bob didn't need anyone to tell him not to like getting punched in the dick to have that response.

Sam Altman seems to be a massive cunt

~~mis~~information campaign

Why the fuck make up lies for your propaganda when you dont have to.

They asked ChatGPT about how to influence Americans views on AI, apparently.

Sure thing.

Thanks China

"Facts that happen to be true" what kind of orwellian speak is this?

PRC ain't good but this is absurd. Fuck ClosedAI

"These dirty commies! Making everyone woke with their factually correct propaganda! They just want lil ol me to not have my american dream!"

Wait. So china pointed out why data centers are bad and were right about it and people agreed?

That's a really weird ass "covert campaign".

Yeah data center bad, but what kills me is the water use thing.

It really seems to rankle peoples bungle, and in both directions, that yes data-center water use is bad, but its just utterly dwarfed in comparison to forms sources of water use. And this is something I can speak to with a fair bit of expertise, in that I've worked extensively in developing water-use analyses for water districts, cities, counties, states, etc. Its just a scale issue and like with that recent Hank Green video about recycling, people truly don't understand how many people there are.

For example, take the MAWA equation (mean average water allowance). Typical indoor water allotment (and there is alot of data to back this up) is about 200 gallons (750 liters) per person per residence per day. That includes toilets, showers, cooking, washing clothing etc..

So lets take the recent number from that NYT article about its data centers water use. I think the number was 2.5 billion gallons?

73,000 gallons would be the average per-person-per-structure indoor only water allotment, which again, is pretty well established.

2.5 billion divided by 73k is about 35k, which is a bit of an over estimate but makes no matter.

All of Amazons datacenters combined "used", and I use "used" lightly here because its not like the water disappeared, but it used less water than a small American town. All of their datacenters combined.

Using duckduckgo to get numbers on this..

Just.. put it into context. Say 1lb of beef takes about 2k gallons of water to produce. The average American consumes 50lbs of beef per year. So an average town of say.. 35k people would go through 3.5 billion gallons of water in beef consumption alone, annually.

And the same equations are going to hold for practically everything else humans consume. Its just... its all a matter of scale. And I agree, datacenters are not good. But the water-use argument is weak when you consider just.. something basic and well established like beef consumption, or golf courses. 2.5 billion gallons is like, 120 golf courses worth of water. Its practically nothing.

I don't think China cares about US that much ngl.

Another beacon of truth from the company of Sam Altman, known for his honesty and forthrightness

OpenAI still acts like there are absolutely none Chinese LLM. Sounds more like a fever dream. I wonder if they also did the exact checks on American user accounts and I am quite certain you will also see hundreds of Americans prompting the same thing.

Ugh, people with those pesky facts, very inconvenient! /s

Fun Fact: the American Govt. has okay'ed giving China GPU's now that they get a cut of the profits. 🙄

We need a radio free America paid for by the Chinese.

I think this just shows that it's not stopping. They can say the most ridiculous statements in their defense and everyone just moves on.