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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 122 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

1 million seconds is 11.5 days.

1 billion seconds is 31.7 years.

1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years.

This is an affront to decency, morality, ethics, and humanity. It cannot be allowed.

[–] SwifferWetjet@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 weeks ago

Kneecapped at a minimum truly.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

We need wealth caps

Nobody should be able to be worth even more than ten million, let alone a trillion

19 million and anything over that goes to taxes

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 64 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It fucking bullshit. They can say worth quillion dollars doesn't make it fact.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

That doesn't stop him from borrowing real money from real banks using this supposedly imaginary stock value as collateral. I'm sure he's more than happy for people to call it fake news while he buys yachts and islands and surrogate mothers with that money.

[–] wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Congrats to all the cunts investing in a Nazi. Pieces of shit.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

If you have a retirement account or an index fund you are one of those cunts

[–] wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

I’m too poor to have any kind of financial stability! Fuck me, right?

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not yet, the S&P backed off their fast-track and it won’t be able to go into their index funds for 90 days. But Tesla is already in there, so 🤷

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can direct your provider to invest however you personally feel comfortable. But it's incredibly boring for most people to have to administer this and the whole point of a pension fund is you don't have to worry about it. Otherwise I might as well play the stock market myself.

A lot of pension managers now are starting to become increasingly wary of AI and "fledgling startups" that have been going for 20 years and have still yet to generate a profit

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Its been a total pain with in any 401k I have had. Just point to index funds. Borrow against to take it out temporally or invest more.

[–] timochka@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not me; I contacted my pension fund last week to move it entirely out of equities and into bonds & cash.

Which is no guarantee, but... I'm not close enough to retirement that this would normally be sensible, but I know I'm close enough that I'd never earn back the losses from the mother of all crashes that is riding into view on the back of these IPOs (and the "I can't believe it's not a crime!" changes to index rules to fast track this nonsense into trackers, guaranteeing that pension funds and the like will be left holding the bag.)

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[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 47 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Who even gives a shit at this point. It's almost laughable. The stock market creates money from thin air without any sensible valuations anymore. Could be a decidillionaire at this point and nothing would change.

Governments should really find a way to tax unrealised gains. Then this fiesta would end quickly.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Governments should really find a way to tax unrealised gains. Then this fiesta would end quickly.

They already do for a lot of middle class people. They're called property taxes and they're reassessed regularly (usually up) based on change in market value and not realized gains. We need something like that for billionaires.

But you know, conservatives think taxing rich people is unpatriotic and stuff :>

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well the arguement they always put forward is something about trickle-down economics. Essentially the rich people will spend their money which will benefit the local economy.

Accept of course it doesn't work because rich people don't spend money in the local economy they spend it in Monaco. Who's economy I don't care about.

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[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You know how you can put something on eBay for any amount of money? Of course it won't sell if it's priced too high, but the price can be set however.

Then people with random items go on eBay. They see their item priced at some exorbitant level and make the jump: "this thing is worth so much money!" Even though it isn't worth that. It never sold for that. Someone just picked a number.

Starting to feel like this is how valuations work.

[–] freedom@lemy.lol 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Except they can force you through retirement funds to buy it regardless.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

So are you saying no one is buying the stock at the listed price? I'm confused by this analogy.

[–] Steve@communick.news 22 points 3 weeks ago

At the start of trading maybe. But what about by market close?
No idea

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 21 points 3 weeks ago

Let's normalize calling him a theoretical trillionaire. Economics tells us that the only way to determine the price of something is to auction it. But the price is determined at the moment of actualized sell, not at what other people payed for similar objects.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

[–] JailElonMusk@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago

This asshole deserves a trillion years in jail.

[–] ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, that's only like $60,000 an hour since the beginning of the roman republic.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

On today's edition of Hoarders

[–] canadaduane@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

That's gross

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It sucks nobody has been successful in offing him.

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

They have, he just has access to the medbay beds Trump used to talk about.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Humanity is disgusting for us to allow this to continue to get to this point. It's an obscene thing to have happened and is one of many stains on our history as people & will be pointed to in the future as evidence of a dark age. Imagine discovering an alien species and then learning they are capable of the same depravity and carelessness as people.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

No it doesn't because he doesn't get any money from the IPO, he gets money from selling the shares, the initial evaluation can be whatever the hell it wants to be.

The best he can do with this is use it as collateral in order to get a loan to by a helicopter, which he could probably already do, so nothing's really changed for him.

[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So the borrowed money that came from nowhere isn't real because they did enough sleight of hand that the literally real bank balance doesn't actually exist because it isn't real money.

Got it!!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Like most rich people his wealth is purely theoretical. If I needed to demonstrate my entire wealth I could just extract it all from my bank account, but a lot of his money is based on perceived worth of his businesses, which of course don't really have a value because they haven't been sold to anyone and in many cases haven't actually generated a profit.

So basically the IPO is saying that if the company was sold, it would be worth x amount of money. But of course we don't know that, and unless he actually sells the business, he doesn't get x amount of money.

This is what people mean when they say we are in another tech bubble, companies are getting massively overvalued for what it is even remotely conceivable somebody would be prepared / able to pay for them. So you get stupid headlines like this that say that Elon Musk is a trillionaire, even though he has substantially less than 1 trillion dollars in his various bank accounts. In terms of actual dollar amounts he probably has 10 or 20 million at most. Absolutely not chicken feed by any stretch of the imagination but also not more money than most countries GDP.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A lot of wealth is based on perceived/theoretical value. Most of it, in fact. Let's say you own a car or a house, their value is based on what someone else is willing to pay for them, but you can't know how much that would be before you do. Heck, even bank notes are technically just "worthless" IOU's backed by a government.
That doesn't mean your net worth is zero just because you don't have cash on hand.

Shares are (in reasonable sale quantities) more factual, because they are essentially based on buy offers: if you have one SpaceX share, you know it's currently worth exactly $160.13, because someone has offered to buy it for that amount.

And this is entirely ignoring the fact that you, like Musk, can turn the "perceived" value into "real" value extremely easily - it's called a loan. Musk got a cool $13 billion one back when he bought Twitter.

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[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Dont defend the fucker

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

This carrot here? Why I'll let it go for 50 Billion dollars. Yup, I value that carrot at 50 Billion. I guess I'm a billionaire! Let's ignore the smoke and mirrors and look at how many white south africans have emigrated to america under the trump/musk presidency recently.

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 7 points 3 weeks ago

He's still alive so i'm just waiting for that to change, him being the world's biggest douchebag is not important.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are 20 billion $100 USD notes in circulation.

This motherfucker has half of them.

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That’s not how spreadsheets work

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

That dipshit junkie hasn't OD'd himself yet?

[–] benny@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In other news, the billionaire mind disease mutated today into the trillionarie mind disease.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The unchallenged winner of capitalism. Wow. Now let's restart the game.

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago
[–] newton@feddit.online 3 points 3 weeks ago

Who is he ? A scammer or ?

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

SpaceX IPO makes dickMusk a bigger 🎯

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yey! Can't wait to see who will be the first quadrillionaire.

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