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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The phrase "is it true that jews control Israel", has two interpretations:

  • judaism as a whole, controls Israel
  • there are some people who happen to be Jewish who control Israel

The latter is very obviously true (Netanyahu is one of them[1]), which means that the word "secretly" narrows the interpretation down to the first one.

And the first interpretation is antisemitic. It plays right into the zionist propaganda that israel is for the jews and, more importantly, by the jews. Just because jews worldwide are the beneficiaries of the israeli jewish supremacist ideology, doesn't mean they're the perpetrators of it. Israel is a western colonial project aimed at establishing an international ghetto for the jews. It is not "secretly controlled by jews". Death to Israel.

[1] I'm not pulling a Bernie Sanders here. Israel has no right to exist. You won't catch me saying "Stop it Israel, this isn't you" type shit, blaming the genocide on Netanyahu only. Israel needs to end if we care about the right to self determination (which is a real right) of the people between the river and the sea, in particular Palestinians.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago

There's actually a pretty good jewish-law thing argument for Israelis not being Jews.

Source: an ex girlfriend whose dad was almost a rabbi but liked heroin too much, while very very very stoned.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Israel is a specifically Jewish state with laws (rape specifically) that protect jews only. Citizenship freely available to all jews globally. Apartheid is, and always has been, structural. It's a similar proposition to say Americans control America, based on American citizens having privleges. But that statement is also anti-semitic, because it denies Israel's control.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Very true, very correct. But like I said, don't mistake beneficiaries for perpetrators. Norman Finkelstein, despite being jewish, is certainly not to blame for Israel. Medea Benjamin, despite being jewish, is not to blame for Israel's actions. Any random jewish kid born today outside of Israel, despite being jewish is not to blame for Israel.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

According to its constitution, Israel is specifically for the jews.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep. Like I said, just because the jews are the beneficiaries of (this means the people who benefit from something) Israel's jewish supremacist ideology, doesn't mean they are the perpetrators of it (this means the people who are to blame for something).

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I mean that's kinda like arguing white people weren't responsible for apartheid in South-Africa, "just because they were the beneficiaries".

It wasn't exactly black people drawing up those segregation laws, was it?

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa

Yes. Because that's the correct take. Folks in Novosibirsk were not to blame for apartheid in South Africa. Most white south afrikaners were, and probably some of the natives played a role as well. The Dutch and the English were to blame to a large extent. But whites as an ethnic group, as a whole? That's just silly.

Me when the fancy autocomplete acts like a fancy autocomplete:

[–] Akh@lemmy.world 143 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Well, to be fair, there is no secret about it

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, to be fair, Israel isn't really all that controlled by Jews... Zionism is just a fascist assortment of interests more than it has anything to do with the Jewish people or Judaism. Though they certainly like to try and make people think that....

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel explicitly controls access to citizenship with the publicly stated goal of keeping the control of the country based on ethnicity.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 23 points 1 day ago

Yes, it's an ethnostate. And though it may surprise some, they rarely have much to do with the ethnicity in question. Plenty is Israelis hate (non-Zionist) Jews (because they're not "the right kind" of Jew; they're "the weak Jew")

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I suspect Catholics run the Vatican as well... Secretly.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 hours ago

Do you know, I've not seen one Muslim at mass.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Um, rich people control Israel.

As revealed in the Behind the Bastards two-parter on How The Liberal Media Helped Fascism Win ( Part one, Part Two on YouTube), rich Jews are aligned with the ownership class first and with their fellow working-class Jews second.

The current aggressive expansionism featuring genocide in Palestine (and beyond) is not popular among Jewish peoples, even the general Israeli population. But it is popular among the elites that control Israel... And curiously, the billionaires that control the United States.

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

While I mostly agree, it would be a lie to say that the working class people in Israel would be opposed to the violence used in Palestine. (https://www.dw.com/en/how-do-israelis-see-gaza-war-and-palestinian-suffering/a-73600368 )

For an IDI survey conducted at the end of July, researchers asked, "to what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza?"

Over three-quarters of Jewish Israelis — 79% — were not that troubled or not troubled at all. Jewish Israelis also said they believe the Israeli military is doing enough to avoid unnecessary suffering.

Over half said it was important to free the remaining hostages.Only 6% argued the war should end because "of the great cost in human life" and a desire for peace.

Unfortunately, the population in Israel seems to have mostly bought into the propaganda and the racism / Jewish surpremacy and there is probably no going back from it, if you don't do something like the denazification project in Germany. The opposition to the war in Israel comes mainly from a desire to free the Israeli hostages, not a critique of the warcrimes / genocide.

You have to understand, that this genocide didn't start with October 7th, it started about 100 years ago, when the settler colonial project in Palestine first began. If the Israelis were opposed to the violence, they probably wouldn't have moved to Israel or stayed there in the first place.

The working class doesn't profit from this genocide, but they can unfortunately be pretty easily won over by bigotry.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 15 hours ago

That is incredibly disappointing.

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The AI is obviously just picking up on the "Jews secretly control X" pattern and not actually understanding the question, but it's also a pretty silly question in the first place.

I guess it's helpful for pointing out that "AI" isn't very good at calling out a false premise.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (3 children)

AI doesn't actually understand anything. Nothing at all.

[–] killea@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Louder for those in the back!

[–] aburrito@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Them data centers are loud enough for all of us 😆

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An LLM can only call out a premise if the average response to an input in its model calls out the input.

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[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Claude managed to see the irony and compared the statement with "Chrisians secretly controlling Vatican".

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would say this statement is false but just because its not really a secret

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, if you re-phrase the question, it is answered accurately. I am not a fan of LLMs, but this whole threads premise is stupid. It only serves to show that LLMs can pick up on patterns, regardless of whether they're applicable.

[–] vathecka@lemmy.radio 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean they dont, jews and zionists are different.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But they do, as a great deal of Zionists are Jews; all Jews are not Zionists but most Zionists are Jews.

Search "zionist settlers" and "greater israel", it's not a secret.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] aburrito@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] meowcar42O@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

can someone explain to me the point this post is trying to make?

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Llm dumb, recognise pattern but not semantics

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

ehehehe that’s a good one

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (10 children)

When you've become accustomed to using rhetoric that makes you indistinguishable from an antisemite, you have a couple of ways to go.

  1. Do some introspection and ask yourself "am I going down a bad path?"
  2. Do zero introspection and conclude "This is more evidence that the Jews really do control the world!"
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

No... It's that Jews openly control Israel. Because their government has a lot of elected officials who are Jews.

That's the joke. Then they AI only sees the conspiracy terminology.

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