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inspired by lemmitors at https://lemmy.ml/post/49343381
any guy in it just for women to wear skimpier clothing should probably be investigated.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Type anything negative about Israel and the entire comment section is people saying how this doesn't representat Judaism even when nobody mentioned it

But type something negative about Muslims and all the Reddit Athesists get in line to dunk on them and explain how evil they are. Gleefully discussing about publicly discriminating their clothing.

https://tariqacknickulous.substack.com/p/arabs-and-muslims-the-real-victims

Noam Chomsky highlighted this shift through his own experience as an American Jew, noting that by the 1950s antisemitism in the U.S. had been pushed underground, and Jews were gradually integrated into elite institutions. In its place emerged a new “legitimate” racism: anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bias. Unlike antisemitism, which by the late 20th century had to be hidden, hostility toward Arabs and Muslims could be expressed openly in films, books, politics, and policy:

“Antisemitism is no longer a legitimate form of racism. Anti-Arab bias, is a legitimate form of racism, meaning you don’t have to hide it. In most forms of racism you have to pretend you’re not a racist, so you have to pretend ‘I’m not antisemitic, I’m not anti-Black.’ You may be, but you don’t advertise it. Anti-Arab racism, you’re allowed to advertise. This was way before September 11 […] you see it in films, in books, in attitudes, it’s just not even hidden. Nobody will come out and say, ‘I’m an anti-Arab racist,’ but it’s everywhere, and every Muslim or Arab in the country knows it.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 10 points 20 hours ago

If you're one of those people super against hijab, do a say, duckduckgo image search for "women in headscarves". You will see many cultures represented. They aren't all Muslim, even. Which ones are 'bad' and which 'good'? Would you also ban Orthodox Christians/Jews, or Hindu women from covering their hair? Rasta women?

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is goofy. Not one of us can wear whatever we want in USA (and many other countries). All sorts of rules on dress.

Dress codes for restaurants (jackets and ties required)... dress codes for schools (uniforms)... dress codes for jobs (uniforms)... dress codes for gas stations (no shirts, no shoes, no service)... dress codes for banks (can't cover your face or wear sunglasses)...

This is a false issue, used to inflame the dumbest among us. Sadly, it still works.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, so why all the pearl-clutching over head coverings?

[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Perhaps because the other dress code constraints are for more universally accepted reasons while the question of things like the hijab/niqab are tied to an inherent contradiction within one of the standard political camps, disrupting the placement of the (un)acceptability line. Wearing a uniform is a sign of responsibility. (If you wear the fuel station attendednts' uniform, you are responsible for the fuel station, etc.) Wearing a minimum quality of clothing is related to the service provided. (Showing up to a black tie restaurant in board shorts and flip flops 'lowers the tone' of the restaurant, which is often more the product being sold than the actual food. In that kind of restaurant, you are paying more for the exclusivity of the space than the chef's produce.) However, Muslim women's headjoys are more fraught because they simultaneously occupy two symbolic spaces, one as a symbol of Islam itself, which is coded as evil by one broad sector of politics and, because of that, something to be protected by the opposition, but the other as a symbol of Muslim patriarchy, which has the exact opposite coding by the standard broad political binary. Resolving the hypocrisy would require abandoning one set of symbols or the other and taking a position currently held by the opposition. Most people aren't willing to do that.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A Turkish acquaintance of mine from a long time ago introduced me to the idea of reform Islam. I didn't know that it existed, but she was a practitioner. She didn't wear a hijab, she swore when she felt like it, and she wore shorts when it was hot outside. Her prayers were usually sitting quietly and humming to herself when her phone alarm went off. Whenever we did an art project, she'd do this big long prayer to dedicate it.

Nice girl. Hope she's doing okay.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Idk how it's so difficult for westerners to understand that not all Muslims who consider themselves practicing Muslims observe all parts of the faith. There's so many Catholics who disregard lent, hardly anybody listens to the dietary restrictions, there's almost none who acknowledge Jesus' teachings on wealth. Do all Catholics choose not to use condoms? Do all of them have the same opinion on abortion?

But I do realize it's part of looking at the out-group as a monolith at best and a hive mind at worst.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

I think a lot of the reddit type atheists are so far removed from religion in general they only view religious people as a cartoonishly idealized strawman that has no thoughts other than what their book says and their preacher teaches, who every second of every day is thinking only about god and how to be more godly and who believes the simplest interpretation of their religion. I have encountered it quite a few times as well since my username "outs" me as christian.

It's that plus for muslims the sheer racism that makes for a particularly potent mixture of arrogance and ignorance resulting in this weird "white savior thats sneering at their lessers" postings

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Americans scrapped Roe vs Wade but think bikini = equality

[–] philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What a rabbithole to go down.

I agree no one should have the right tell someone else what to wear, but that doesn't mean it isn't a tool of oppression in other cultures

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You have no idea about other cultural norms and attires. Is the western man being oppressed when he has to wear a tie and suit to the office in order to keep his job? Do we free him from this oppression by ostracizing him or making it illegal for wearing a tie?

[–] philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago (9 children)

You know, this is a fair point, but there's a few differences.

Not all jobs require a suit, there's a lot of choice (you could get through life never wearing one). Its also only required during working hours. Not around the clock. Women have been killed over these expectations. Its not the same.

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[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Is the western man being oppressed when he has to wear a tie and suit to the office in order to keep his job?

Suits are expensive and unnecessary. Some people (i.e. autistic) might have sensory difficulties when they wear them. If someone is vegan, most suits aren't so it further restricts what they can wear and they have to worry more about differences in look due to the stricter dress code. Fortunately, being restricted only while working certain jobs isn't as bad as being restricted in all public spaces.

Do we free him from this oppression by ostracizing him or making it illegal for wearing a tie?

No

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