TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

Conservatives hated star trek when it first aired in the 60s.

There isn't a single thing in life that they can just accept as it is.

I will say how awesome would it be if children came out genderless till adulthood then they touch a seashell to pick on their 18th birthday. Solve so may problems. STEM becomes more accessible to woman. No pink tax on toys.

When did it become woke? The Cage. When there was a competent women wearing pants, as 2nd in command and not used as a damsel where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.

It didn’t become woke after Enterprise, just mostly shitty. With showrunners that like to hide behind the supposed wokeness as a defense against criticism and rightwing assholes happily blaming the shittiness on wokeness.

anyone who whines about "woke" is automatically a bad person in my eyes. at least usage of the word is good way for them to out themselves.

Trek was conceived woke. If anything it's moved away from that with its overuse of Section 31 and the mirror universe. And now there's a war college.

Mark of gideon. Kirk basically fights an entire planet over abortion rights

1966 is the answer

My biggest problem with NuTrek is that it's too dark. Not in a "thematic" sense but in "projected photons" sense. I feel like I'm straining my eyes to see what's happening on the the set.

It's one of the reasons I loved Lower Decks so much. I could see what was happening.

The difference now isn't a matter of woke vs not woke. The stories have become way more interpersonal drama rather than the older sci-fi focused story telling style, and that just happens to make it seem like there are more woke issues being featured.

At least that's my take on it.

That's not woke. That's science fiction.

I mean if humans could just change gender/sex/appearance as efficiently as Data's child, there'd be no problem. You'd just do a beep-beeb-boop and that's it.

As for nutrek, their problem is not woke. Their problem is stupid.

I think it's very easy to claim 'woke' with modern star trek, but I think the issue is that politics used to be more tightly wound into the plot in that they used to express leftist viewpoints in a natural way that served the plot. The episodes were well thought out and were rich with allegory and metaphors.

Now the political views have remained largely the same from before, but the writing has suffered to an extent that things feel forced and no longer serve the plot in a natural way. It's less thought provoking, and more "here's the moral of the story". Which for better or worse only really underscores Star Trek's leftist views.

Honestly I think the difference perceived by the "too woke" brigade is that a lot of the older storylines featured what felt like exceptions to the norm. Smaller instances of people being accepting. An example might be a trans person existing was a whole storyline usually with a gimmick rather than just a given that was treated as the norm that requires no explanation. Individuals being chill very rarely is their problem. It's when someone tries to get them to change their ways and accept something as "normal" that they go bonkers

But yeah... Woke is such a non term referring to any cultural advancement of acceptance at scale that of course Star Trek was always "woke" it was culturally transformative and minority aware from the beginning